0:11 didn't want to click over. Okay, a little little technical glitch there. Well, hello and welcome to Jiggers's Place. I'm your host, Kevin Bemmel. And you may be thinking, "Wait a minute, there's somebody else on the screen." Yes, indeed. Uh please allow me to introduce you to my friend Peter Talbot. Uh Peter has written an absolutely marvelous book uh called the um I was going with the first word, the offshore deception. And uh so um in honor of Peter joining me here at Jiggers's
0:46 place, um I'm going to make a cocktail called the offshore deception. And we're going to sit and talk about his book and and and writing and you know all the things that went into this. Uh those of you who are regular watchers of Jiggers's Place, you know that I love uh detective and thriller fiction. I've talked about The Saint. I've talked about Merrell Wolf. I've talked about uh Dashel Hammond, I think, and and and many others. Um Agatha Christie. Um, so, um, I I will tell you that that Peter's
1:22 book really is in the the great tradition of of those kinds of of of books. Um, with some, you know, Peter um, no, not Peter, it's u, I can't think of his first name.
1:37 >> Pardon me, John. John Lare uh, thrown in. Um and and also for those of you um I think I did a show on Peter Male who is best known for a year in Provence but he wrote several um sort of detective thriller novels um set mostly in Proce and the south of France and such. Um if if if any of those things uh you know spark Oh yes, I love those. You you you're gonna you're going to love Peter's book. But first, we have to make a cocktail because, you know, I can't
2:13 invite someone over to my house without offering some some hospitality. So, this is a rum based cocktail. Um, we're going to I'm going to use an aged rum. This is Banks. It's a 7-year-old um golden rum. And then, um, we're going to use some cognac. This is a nonin VSOP cognac. So, it's very nice. Um, and then some feno cherry. This is teepee and some coffee lur. And um you all know I have this thing for for Jamaica because of my friend Dell. So this is
2:48 Blue Mountain Caribbean coffee lur. This is wonderful stuff. And then I have um it actually calls for um uh deerara syrup. Um I could not find dirara sugar. Uh, so I'm actually using um, uh, turbanado sugar in this. Um, and you may say, where did you find turbanado? It's otherwise known as sugar in the raw. So that's pretty easy to find. You can find that in any grocery store. And it's really easy to make the simple syrup.
3:23 Um, typically simple syrup is a 1:1 ratio, sugar to water. um in in designing this recipe with my assistant uh chat GPT as you know uh they recommended making it actually a 2:1 ratio sugar to water um to give it a just more weight. Um and so we've got the um it's actually like I said it's turbanado sugar and then we have orange bitters and angura um aromatic bitters. Okay, so we're going to we're going to put this all together here. We have our uh we have our our mixing glass with ice
3:58 in it already. And we're going to start out with 3 oz of rum because we're making a double recipe. And by the way, if if you want to make the cocktails along with me, um all you need to do is go to my website, beel.com, and subscribe to my uh email list, and 8:00 8:00 a.m. um Pacific time um on the Thursdays of Jiggers's Place, you will get the an
4:34 email with the uh recipe and then you can you can make it along with me. And I know sometimes, you know, we I have unusual ingredients, but as you know, you've seen me kind of uh improvise and uh usually they still turn out okay. Not always, but you know, it's part of part of making cocktails is having fun. So, go put in the cherry. And if you if you were to get the recipe, you would see that each of these
5:10 ingredients has a different meaning. Oops. In terms of um you know, the the book and today's theme. Okay. So, we're going to go with half an ounce of the coffee lure. I think maybe just a little bit more that cuz I like coffee. And Okay. And then half an ounce of the syrup. Okay. So, this is going to be a nice brown cocktail. All right. So, we've got four dashes of orange bitters. One, two,
5:46 three, four. And we've got two of the industic. The other thing is, you know, you don't have to be absolutely precise. Yeah. It's just if you like if you like orange a lot, put in a couple more dashes of orange. We're going to mix this up. As you can see, the um mixing glass is getting frosty, and that's what we want. We want it to really cool down. But I always mention, we also want some
6:21 of the ice to melt because the water brings out the flavors. We're really going to ice that down. All right. And then we'll get out our strainer. And we're going to strain this into old-fashioned glasses. Little bit more. There we go. Okay. And then I couldn't
6:57 find any uh edible gold leaf, so we're not going to use that. But um I've got an orange here. This happens to be a carakara orange. And just to show I was always kind of like, how do I get the orange peel expression? It's really easy. Get yourself a potato peeler, a sharp one. Get yourself an orange. Wash it first like I did with this one. And then just peel off some of the skin. Okay. It's real easy. Okay. And there you got a nice nice peel of skin there. And then just it sort of twist it and
7:33 squeeze it above the drink. And what it's doing is it's uh some of the oils in the skin is coming out which puts a little bit of the orange flavor in it. That's that's all it is. In this case, we're not going to drop the the peel into the cocktail. Okay. And I'm going to go bring one to my guest. You'll see me over here on the camera.
7:56 >> Sir, thank you, James.
7:58 >> You're welcome. So, uh, all right. So, let's give this a try and see what do you what's
8:04 >> chairs,
8:12 >> sophisticated.
8:14 >> Yeah. Layers of flavor, huh?
8:17 >> You know, [snorts] I'd like to take credit, you know, for how these turn out, but really it's much more of Chat GPT than me because it's searching all over the internet [snorts] for for ways to do creative things. This is actually superb. Um, [clears throat] I'm glad I'm not writing after this. [laughter]
8:32 >> Yes,
8:35 >> but it's only one.
8:36 >> I must say when I heard you spell out the recipe, I said to myself at first, this [clears throat] is something I'll remember and I'll put that maybe in the second novel. Um, and then I [snorts] give up before. [laughter]
8:51 >> So, I can remember this.
8:54 >> No, it's okay. I've got it written down. [laughter] So you can take it with you when after we're done.
8:59 >> Have you ever been a bar man in your earlier lives?
9:02 >> No. You know, I mean, I I I thought at one time um about, you know, learning to be a bartender. I thought that, you know, coming out of the Navy where I was a chaplain, I thought, well, you know, what's like that in civilian life? Yeah. [snorts] Bartender, right? Listen to people's troubles, give them a drink. Um, but uh it's [snorts] it's a it's a tough it's a tough life as a bartender. Um, unless you get into a very, you know, high-end like a hotel bar, something like that. Um, you know, it's it's or you become, you know, very sort
9:38 of okarant or something like that. So, I, you know, I bartend here at Jiggers's place and, uh, I I'm known in this in this neighborhood for making a, you know, excellent martini.
9:50 >> [snorts]
9:50 >> Um but uh you know I like to experiment so uh
9:55 >> great
9:56 >> you know it
9:59 >> sir
10:01 >> very pleased to see you again.
10:03 >> Absolutely. So nice to see you. So um you know just to give a little context here for the audience. Peter and I met um at a at a conference a few months ago and struck up a friendship. Um, I think we have a lot of common interests is [snorts] really what it comes down to. And he was kind enough Oh, my friend Scott is here. Yes. Yeah. Hi, Scott. Um, and he was kind enough to invite me to uh the sort of release event for his
10:42 book, which was I want to say four weeks ago.
10:45 >> Yes. Okay.
10:47 >> A month ago.
10:48 >> Month ago. Um, and it was a lovely event. There were a lot of It was It was standing room only, [laughter] which is always good.
10:58 >> Um, and you know, I got a copy of the book and you never know. I mean, first time author, right? And uh, you know, really couldn't put the book down. I mean, I it it's ex The first thing I look for in a book is how readable it is. And it's it's very readable. Uh you know, I I I especially the main character like really like cared about, you know, what happens to
11:33 him and and that's you know that that's just that's just good solid writing. So, [snorts] uh, and and so then that that's why I I told Peter, I said, you know, I've got to have you over at Jiggers's place to, you know, talk about your book. People are so interested in writing and potentially being a writer, but most most people don't do it. I've written one book in my life. It was hard. It was a lot of work, much more than I thought. And so I guess
12:08 maybe start out by if you would why did you decide to write a book because it's not your primary, you know, vocation, right? So what what prompted you to do that?
12:22 >> Well, thank you for the compliment. I have been receiving a number of critiques or reviews on Amazon that that were very positive as well, which is kind of heartwarming.
12:37 >> Yeah.
12:37 >> As you say, I'm only 18 and and uh you know, this is my first book,
12:43 >> right?
12:44 >> But um I I've always liked words. I think fundamentally um the way in which they convey a particular nuance and the way in which they can be pronounced in certain ways
13:02 >> and I like languages and um got enamored with English at a fairly early age. Um then I think over time you're right it's it wasn't at all my [snorts] my background or my experience professionally for a long time but I I did enjoy writing short stories or I did enjoy um even in in reports corporate reports [clears throat]
13:31 >> more than just enjoy I was always aware of the need for a structure Um so a short story about that.
13:42 >> Uhhuh. Um when I started after my MBA with a venerable high reputation New York bank um my boss came to me on day one and said we have this one-third interest in a a European bank and um point is you're fresh out of business school. They tell me you're smart. tell us tell the board what we should do with that interest
14:15 >> because here I am I just landed in this job and I so I read as much as I can whole file background etc talk to a number of people there and then eventually I have to give my answer now in in typical French fashion
14:34 >> although I spent four years in American colleges here I still was French right the lab.
14:40 >> Mhm.
14:41 >> And I wrote him a 13page report with um thesis, anti- thesis, synthesis and conclusion. And I dropped it on his desk to at the end of one day. The next morning, early next [clears throat] morning, soon as we got in, comes over to my desk and he ts it there. See, you don't think I'm going to read this, you here I am. You know, I I told you what I've gone through and
15:12 >> and I put everything I had including the words and the structure and make it intelligible. Pass on the particular nuance. It turned out that this is the day I learned what an executive summary was. [laughter] So just just to say that words are and I was fascinated. uh words are really been a big part of my life. I read a lot.
15:40 >> Mhm.
15:41 >> And um it just it was a series of events which I read about 15 years ago, 20 years ago. uh and that's and and some events I witnessed that matured in in my mind over time as I increasingly started I think maturity is part of it too as I increasingly started uh writing shorter stories and with a touch of humor at times and testing this
16:16 testing that and getting comments from friends um and about and I so I tried I I tried to put all of this together uh a long time ago to 10 years ago and I ended up as I recall with 621 pages. Um now anybody will tell you that you have to be a top top name John Lari or or Gish etc to to even have the world accept a 450 page book. Right. Right.
16:47 >> Otherwise just just be more modest. Mhm.
16:50 >> And so I went on working on that, learning about writing, uh, learning about the legal side of writing, what is it like to have an agent or how does all of this work and then eventually dropping it. I had other things to do, business to run. And then about three years ago at a opening at the gallery um as as the [snorts] you know the cheese and the wine get particularly less interesting
17:25 for a second [laughter] um the there was a charming lady with whom I started chatting and she writes poems and I mentioned that well I'm [clears throat] writing a book. She she's she immediately that'll do it. [laughter] She immediately said Miguel Miguel harassment [clears throat]
17:54 >> sorry who is the publisher.
17:57 >> Mhm.
17:59 >> For two and a half years he and I worked together maybe two sessions a week.
18:08 >> Oh wow. much more than just editing.
18:12 >> Mhm.
18:13 >> He taught me a lot.
18:16 >> I started believing that I really had a story and in effect I rewrote the whole thing
18:23 >> and the result is here.
18:27 >> There it is. Offshore deception. I So I met Michael um Yes, of course. Um, I met Michael at um at the um you know the the event in the book signing. Um quite a a character, quite a wonderful guy. I I had no idea he was um as involved in helping you write the book as he was. So
18:51 >> he he was very um [clears throat]
18:53 >> he was very influential. Um has a strong personality.
18:59 >> Let's say I don't have a weak one myself.
19:01 >> Mhm. So we had sessions that well a few where we almost hang up on each other.
19:09 >> You know I don't think this belongs here. Well I do I don't think that perhaps that you know it's your book but I'm just suggesting yes you are Michael. Yeah and and perhaps that look at this dialogue. I mean, you have the one person speaking, the other one responding, speaking again, responding. Ready? After about five or six, you you This is a potent drink. [laughter]
19:38 >> We're going to get all the secrets out of you.
19:40 >> After about five or six, you don't know who's speaking, whose turn it is, right?
19:46 >> So, little things like that.
19:48 >> And then eventually we got to the structure of the book.
19:56 >> Mhm.
19:56 >> He never really had any issue with the plot or definitely never with the style itself.
20:06 >> Mhm.
20:10 >> He just wanted it to be better. He's told me several times.
20:13 >> Mhm.
20:14 >> He just wanted me to get there.
20:16 >> Right. Right.
20:17 >> And he almost made me believe that I did. [laughter] So, so this is so this is interesting because I think um I haven't I've never edited a book. Um but I' I have a decadesl long relationship with what with my longest stranding friend who's who with whom I've done many many media projects film video etc. and it it's somewhat similar because he's he's the director. Um, oftentimes
20:54 we're we're we're creating a a a you know, a piece from what he's written
21:01 >> and I'm much more of the sort of business logistical side of things. And people would come to me and say, you know, I don't I don't like what, you know, Rick is doing here. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm here to make sure that the image that Rick has in his head gets put on the screen.
21:24 >> Right?
21:25 >> I'm not here to change that image. And and I know sometimes people found that frustrating, but I think that was the key to the to at least one of the keys, not the only one, but one of the keys to the longevity of our the professional part of our association.
21:45 >> So I I it's interesting that it sounds like that's kind of a similar thing that you have with uh with Michael.
21:53 >> I think so. We um we sort of started we started more on the technical side which I think was also a phase that enabled us to understand and know each other better because you you end up really working very closely. [clears throat]
22:18 >> And so if you will when I say technical Um, we we did some of the cleanup, so the occasional repetition,
22:31 >> the semicolon that really ought to be a colon, that sort of stuff.
22:34 >> Mhm.
22:35 >> Um, and then as we were doing that, questions would come up about what I meant by this, what I intended there. Mhm.
22:46 >> Um and then we got to a second phase that was much deeper about the the why. Um the the thoughts that's [clears throat] where the real work comes in. the thought that you really want you want to interest and to [clears throat] entertain your reader, right?
23:19 >> Yes. But
23:24 >> you have a reason for adding this particular scene
23:30 >> or that particular event
23:32 >> into the book. It it has to have some meaning. Although you may at times enjoy a slight rest bit and and throw in a little scene ahead of us, no importance whatsoever, no influence. That but is a nice um touch in terms of the style or in terms of the the mood of the uh of the book or maybe a um a little pause for the reader too, right? Um I remember working with um grids. I columns were the parts of the sections of the book, the rows were the chapters
24:09 >> and each little doc had what the chapter was all about and I would put in bold capital letters there the the key points about the chapter or what stood out where where I mentioned so whatever was possibly educational or informative I would just mention that so we stick it would stick out old grid and I would see where I've done this. In a sense, those were by changes. But I'm being told, for example, now in the critiques that I'm
24:44 reading that um there are a lot of things that the reader did not know about the art world that are in this, right?
24:51 >> So, I'm saying to myself, okay, yeah, no, that was the right that was the right thing to do. And God knows if I do not want to come out as didactic and certainly not know it all about the art world, but just enough to share a few things. And so the when we went through that um second phase, Michael was the one to constantly tell me that I had to be more um concise. Mhm. Mhm.
25:25 >> Uh we were still at too many words.
25:29 >> Um we were still well over 100,000, you know. So um and that was frustrating for me. How can I let that go? To the point where he would tell me I learned that very early would tell me, you know, this is a great scene belongs in another book. Just keep it somewhere. [laughter]
25:48 >> Um how can you take um
25:51 >> my baby? [laughter] But but it it was all very much and there was an immense amount of respect um for his abilities and
26:01 >> um so I we we cut off we cut off a number of things but this was not a line or two. This was sometimes four or five paragraphs or right uh or merging even a chapter or two. Um and then the last phase was the final review. U the best way I could describe that uh was does this all make sense?
26:33 >> And so we spent quite a bit of time on that. Each phase involved rereading the book word after word after word. Okay.
26:43 >> Mhm.
26:44 >> And there are 387 pages. Right.
26:48 >> Um, highly gratifying. Um, over time I became far more confident about what I wanted to keep. He became less and less the teacher.
27:02 >> Mhm.
27:03 >> And uh more and more the partner. There are things he knows which I don't.
27:12 >> And um and it became great fun.
27:15 >> Yeah. So, one of the things you said um kind [snorts] of sparked a thought for me and and you as a avid reader of you know detective spy fiction all you know all that one of the so the the the prime motive for reading it is you know what's going to happen trying to figure out like like learning the solution right that's that's that's the driving force in any good book that deals with that. But it it strikes me,
27:50 and I didn't think about this until you mentioned about putting in different things about the art world. The other thing I like about detective fiction is I end up learning things about other, you know, industries or areas of life [snorts] that I don't really know anything or at least not a whole lot about. and and to get a it gives me a feeling like like your book of I kind of know this from more from the inside now
28:26 than I did before. So talk if you would how did you bring or or what I don't know if it was intentional. I assume it was. Um how did you bring that sense of come on I'm going to I'm going to you know take you behind the curtain and show you what really goes on right because you know we see art auctions in the movies or whatever. Oh, you know what? Okay, that's fine. But but of course, the movies is never portraying how things really work,
29:01 >> right? And and again what so much of what I enjoyed about your book both on the art side and on the international wealth management side which is you know that's that's my primary profession as you know you know getting a sense of those from another person's perspective just made the book even that much more enjoyable. So talk if you how did you how did you bring that in?
29:30 >> Because part of it is that um I live both I had 30 years in international uh finance.
29:42 >> Mhm.
29:43 >> Public and then private.
29:45 >> Uhhuh.
29:46 >> Um and then I've been an art dealer for 13 years. So I I live in that.
29:55 >> Mhm.
29:56 >> Um I have friends in that world, in those worlds. Um so what I'm trying to say is that it's almost second nature, if you will. I live it.
30:07 >> Uhhuh.
30:08 >> Um how did I bring it in? Uh Michael had a very strong refrain that he uh no session would go without his telling me again show don't tell. [clears throat]
30:25 >> Mhm.
30:26 >> So um and of course I'm more the type that wants to explain everything wants to cover it all. Right. You know this is a good old perfectionist. So I [laughter] I I had to make an effort to show and not tell. Mhm.
30:41 >> And the results was that so I would just insert in a series of events an event by which um someone would show me a painting and say isn't it a great painting and yeah it looks like you need a great painting except that it's fake and but how you know and that gives you a little window on how things work or don't work in this particular instance
31:05 >> right
31:06 >> um or and it was it was intentional all the
31:10 >> [clears throat]
31:10 >> or um or I will then describe because it's been with me ever since I did it um as has ever so representative of the art world um going into a prestigious arts fair in Europe
31:29 >> and the interactions of people the lingo the anyway um so that that's basically what happened on the on the finance side. Since um the antagonist uh is involved in that,
31:48 >> um it was relatively easy to throw in
31:54 >> a number of of events and um practices [laughter] in the private banking world,
32:02 >> right? Um, I I I had to be careful on both sides because I I I was timid about doing that at first simply because I didn't want to appear pretentious and, you know, so knowledgeable about um, which I'm not, but there are some basics that are worth turning into a story because they're amusing, interesting, or educational. [clears throat] So I I you know with due respect I I I think you're kind of you know selling yourself short. Uh so I I don't know if
32:40 you're familiar with an author by the name of Dick Francis who so you know he passed away a number of years ago. I I in my library which you may have noticed earlier I think I have every single book that he wrote. Um, what I so much love about his books is what I know about horse racing and in particular steeplechase racing. I've learned from reading Dick Francis, right? He was the Queen's jockey. Uh, you know, he he was a steeplechase uh,
33:15 you know, writer. Um, he actually wrote a book. He he he wrote one book that's not, you know, detective fiction. um the sport of queens I think of which which I've also read. Um but he captured that millia in a way that no one else ever did. I I'm not I don't think no one else has ever even tried. Um and his his expertise was engaging. I never
33:51 felt like, oh, he knows so much more than I do. What a what a what a what a didact he is. Right. Um and and again, I think that's the advantage of writing in the context of detective fiction. We're assuming that the the characters about whom we're reading are smarter than us, no more than us, right? because otherwise we don't need to read about like like Narrow Wolf of course is the ultimate narrow wolf. He tells us time and time again, I'm a genius. I know more than you do. You know, he doesn't come out
34:27 and say we're stupid, but pretty close, you know. Um and and I I I just I got this sense in read and and I've I've never read any detective fiction um that's set in the art world like this before. This is really like I'm looking forward to the next book already because um you know as I was pointing out to you when you got here you know my my maternal grandfather was an artist. I've got some of his works here you know in my home. Um so I have a I have a close connection to it. But I I you know even
35:03 having gone through architecture school I'm I'm no you know expert in art. You know I'm I'm one of those I know what I like right I like I love Kandinsky kind of thing. But I it's so fascinating to learn about these and from someone you know you've been in you've been in that arena you 13 years I guess maybe professionally I I suspect you were involved with it you know avocationally before you know you got into it professionally right so there's nothing like learning about these things from someone who truly knows it truly
35:38 loves it um and Part of the reason I'm saying this is so people can understand the quality of of, you know, what went into your book. Uh because great detective fiction is written by people who love something and and want to tell us about it. They want to sh they want to share. It's like it's like a chef. He wants to sh his his expression of love is his food, right? That's that's for for great for for a a truly wonderful writer. I think it's the
36:14 same thing. So,
36:15 >> well, thank thank you for this. I I don't want to sell myself short, but um as I said, I didn't didn't want to be come across as pretentious. Um yes, art has always been I mean, my parents were collectors and my mother took me as a very tender age to a museum when they showed me the five cathedrals of Ru by Monet and He said, [clears throat] "Okay, so have you seen a green shirt, blue shirt, sit down, let me tell you about impressionism." And it sort of went on from there.
36:50 >> Um, so there's always been that we were four boys and two architects of the four. I mean, this
36:57 >> Yeah,
36:58 >> there's this there's that. Um, so art was always a value
37:02 >> to be respected, to be admired, to be sought. Um so it's it's only what developed during my career in international private banking in particular [snorts] I've told this story quite a few times I would spend maybe my my clients being pretty much all over the world I would spend um 15 30 minutes on the stock portfolio right
37:32 >> and the review of the markets etc and then three hours on the art collection.
37:36 >> Mhm. [clears throat]
37:37 >> And eventually I just decided, okay, all this advice that I'm giving, that's part of the a little bit like the character in the book.
37:45 >> But um I I want to go full-time. This is what I love to do. And it truly is. Yes. Love is central. It truly is what I love.
37:54 >> Absolutely love. So um that that is something that I wanted to do well with a certain lightness so that it doesn't come across as dactic or boring. M.
38:09 >> So it has to be some and and there are so many amusing facets
38:15 >> of of the art world and it's the practices and the way which people interact and um and there's so much more to I mean I already have a 10,000word synopsis long one for the second book which I'm writing and it's it's what you were the book signing I mean it it's the the the hero the protagonist the hero will be in one particular masterpiece of all times
38:48 >> and and we'll go from there and crimes in in the art world are probably as frequent as in any other world. [laughter] I I don't I don't doubt it.
39:01 >> Less known possibly.
39:03 >> Yes.
39:04 >> Yeah. But but but equally as nefarious I suspect. Oh, equally if not more. Um I mean I should be cautious but this is rather well known. Um I I was told that um by a friend long time ago, decades ago um that if people in the art world were subjected to rules and regulations as one finds in the financial world, the former would all be in jail. No. [laughter] OBVIOUSLY
39:40 an exaggeration [laughter] somehow though it rings true [laughter] but it rings true and at the same time we and this is something that fascinates me um we marvel at the front page showing us that particular vano that went for 100 million. Right.
40:04 >> Right. Um I mean it's a small market.
40:08 >> Mhm.
40:08 >> You know the entire size worldwide of the art market annually is a fraction of a day of trading on the New York Stock Exchange.
40:19 >> Mhm.
40:20 >> A fraction of a day. [laughter]
40:26 >> This is your broker calling.
40:28 >> That's right. I'm in trouble. [laughter] Well, you know, the the the the the the bell ringing actually was fortuish. We we've been talking for almost an hour. No.
40:42 >> Yes. I I I mean, I looked at the timer. I I I could I could easily go on talking for another I think two or three hours. Uh it it was I can't even begin to tell you how much I appreciate you you you joining me today. Um, you have to promise me that when your next book comes out, you'll come back and and I will I will make another cocktail. I'll maybe won't make it quite so strong. [laughter]
41:15 >> Touche, you did very well. Um, I had a mis pleasure. Well, so if you look, not right at this moment, but once the episode posts, because we're we're live, but if you look below in the show notes, you will find a link where you can buy Peter's book on Amazon. Um, you know, full disclosure, it's an affiliate link. If you buy the book, Peter gets, you know, probably couple of dollars, I get a couple of pennies, you know, [laughter]
41:50 right? That's how the business works. Um, but but I I I cannot I cannot encourage you enough to get a copy of Offshore Deception. And whether you're going to make an offshore deception cocktail or you're just going to sit back with a cognac or even just a nice uh bottle of cold water, just enjoy yourself um in being immersed in the world of of art, of of private banking and
42:27 international finance, of wonderfully good guys and really nasty bad guys that that you will just be so happy when they get their comeuppants. Um, and you know, life is tough. So, it's I I I I I salute you for taking the time and putting in the effort to do something that brings some some beauty and some enjoyment into
43:04 people's lives. I I I think we get, you know, so focused on work and and all that kind of stuff like, you know, it's good to take a few minutes, couple of hours to just enjoy and and be lost in kind of the fantasy. Um, I think every man is maybe a little bit of a Walter Midi [laughter] and and and for me, um, reading your book was was it was it was kind of like a Walter Midi
43:40 moment for me and, uh, and and I, like I said, I can't I can't thank you enough for coming, uh, all this way to, you know, come and talk to me about your book. So, thanks so much. And I cannot thank you enough for giving me this opportunity and really enjoyed this little chat very much. We got to basically the root of it and what it's all about and why and why I'll continue.
44:04 >> Good.
44:04 >> So, thank you. Thank you so much.
44:06 >> You're very welcome. So, uh I I owe a thank you also to um you viewers. Um, as of today, I have over 9,000 um, subscribers to my YouTube channel. I cannot thank you enough for for doing that, for, you know, watching the different shows that I create, for coming and um, spending time with, you know, fantastic guests like Peter Talbot. And uh you know if you have any suggestions on topics you'd like to see
44:44 covered or you have questions or comments I'm always delighted to receive those. If you have criticism I'm I'm delighted to receive those as well. uh that you know I I I I do these obviously to get the opportunity to meet great or not meet but be you know talk with great people like Peter but also because I'm hoping that this will enrich your lives uh your life as well and uh so if I can if there's a better way I can do that um by all means I I I want to so thank you so much for joining Peter and me today
45:23 and hopefully I will see you next week. Have a wonderful evening, a wonderful rest of the week. Um, for my Jewish friends out there, shatva, a happy new year. And that just leads me to sign off as I always do. Marie darling, you are my bell. Courage at all times, my friends.