0:02 Who are you and where are you going? What do you want? [Music] Hello and welcome to Business Lessons from the Military. I'm your host, Kevin Bemmel, and I'm here every Tuesday at 10:00 a.m. Pacific time to talk about military history, doctrine, and and leadership. All from which uh we draw lessons that we can apply to our businesses and professional practices.
0:38 So today's episode is titled sharpening your skills. And what it really comes down to is um um quite a number of years ago while I was still on active duty, I was stationed up in uh Lamore Naval Air Station, which is in central California. and I met a man uh and I'm I've been trying to remember his name because I we haven't we haven't um seen each other or talked for for quite some time but I I was at of all things a porum party. Porm
1:13 is a um a Jewish holiday that's around March, April. Um and one of the practices of Porum is um you dress up in costumes. So I dressed up as um I don't know think a pirate or something. Anyway, I had a a sword that I had bought many years ago uh down on Venice Beach and um some other people at the party, there were other people at the party and one of them came up to me, a man, I think he's he's about I want to say about 20, no, he's probably about 30 years older than me. And we start
1:49 talking and it turns out that uh in addition to have been trained as a pilot um although because of his age he missed uh actual combat uh activity in World War II. Um after getting out of the service he went to Hollywood where he met um Errol Flynn the infamous Aerrol Flynn and he did uh stunt work and in particular sword play. So he was an excellent uh fencer and so he was looking at my sword and we were talking
2:25 about it. Anyway, he came he and his uh girlfriend came to visit my family, I think about a week later, and he he brought me this sword, and you know, you can't see the full length of it, but um it it's it's it's quite it's quite beautiful, I think. And I' I' I've had it for uh quite a number of years. And several months ago, I decided, you know, I really should learn at least the military drill that's associated with a sword. What's known as the manual of manual at-arms sword or manual of arms
3:02 sword. You'll hear it said different different ways. And so for the last several months, I've I've been practicing it. Um, not not long. I practice uh four or five times a week, maybe about five to seven minutes doing the different movements um that I I I downloaded the Marine Corps um manual at arms sword u um manual and uh you know learned from it and I I you know watched a video on um on YouTube that was put
3:40 together by I believe was a Marine Corps captain if memory serves. And what I've noticed is the little time that I devote to practicing these, you know, roughly eight movements um several times uh each day has has has helped me in a number of ways. And um so be before I go any further, I'm gonna play for you. put my sword down here. I'm going to play for you a short video. It's just
4:16 about a a little over a minute and a half so you can see what the manual of a manual at-arms sword actually looks like. Okay. In this this this short video that I found, it's actually done by a member of uh the Coast Guard. And why am I not seeing the video here? Oh, here it is. Okay, we'll go ahead and share and let me open up the screen here for you. Okay, so here we go. Okay, this is the um they call it the sword manual
4:52 orders. Here you go.
4:57 >> Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. In this video, we will demonstrate the sword manual of arms. The demonstration is performed from two different angles and two different uniforms. Additional notes concerning the orders can be found in the quick reference guide. Now they're going to execute.
5:22 >> Draw. Sword. Present. Sword. Order. Sword. Harry. Sword. Return. short.
5:59 >> Okay, now they're going to do it again from the side just so you get a little different view. Draw. Sort. Present. Sort order. Sort. Carry. Sort. Return. Sort.
6:38 Okay. So, you can see what the various movements look like and It started it started doing it over again. Um, so you can you you saw the basic moves of the manual at arms sword, right? And uh now they did it the the uh coast guardsman who did it, he was doing it slowly uh so you could see each move distinctly. And and like I said, I showed you you should you saw it from both the front and the side. Um, but it
7:16 was it was all very precise, you know, very exacting if that if that's not the same thing as precise. Okay. And the Coast Guardman, so it was it was a chief warrant officer who did the narration at the beginning. I think it was also a chief warrant warrant officer uh who who actually performed the various maneuvers. Um, chief chief warrante officers are are um common in in in the Coast Guard. U, by the way, the Coast Guard is one of the sea services as you'll you'll hear in in in just a moment. Um, so
7:52 you can see that it's there's an economy of movement. Okay? And again, it's very precise. Uh and and it's likely that the chief warrant officer who was actually doing the moves had practiced it dozens more likely hundreds of times and that's how he was able to be so exacting in what he did. Right? So why is this important for business? So, I was having a conversation uh my I have
8:28 a regular Monday meeting with my friend Michael and we got on the subject of uh what is the value of practicing viz dealing with a crisis. And one of the things in and h having the conversations the conversation one of the things I said to to Michael was given that any particular business there might be 10 or 20
9:06 uh events or circumstances that could cause a crisis. So let's take the number 20. Okay. So if there's 20, the business can't count on only one of the 20 happening. It's it could be two of them will happen, three of them will happen, five, 10, all 20. Okay, all 20 may not be very likely, but it could happen. And the other thing that you one know the business can't count on is is crisis
9:41 number one going to hit first followed by two followed by three or is 11 going to hit first followed by four followed by 17. Right? So although there may be 20 potential crises that can hit a business and materially negatively impact its ability to operate because they can happen in groups and because the sequence of the events will could be could be essentially at random. Okay, the number of permutations
10:17 out of 20 becomes very large very quickly, right? There's, you know, hundreds if not thousands of combinations um as represented by 20 um um exclamation point, 20 factoid I think is the term that Michael used for describing how many different combinations. So a a a company could not possibly uh you know practice how it's going to respond to hundreds or thousands of groups of of problems. Um but what it
10:55 can do is it can practice responding to problems and it can practice responding to certain ones so that the team the members of the team leadership the you know the rank and file are used to the process of needing to respond to a crisis. I just realized I didn't put my lights on here. you made me wonder like why is he so dark? Um okay so therein lies what the sort of core idea as to why
11:33 training is this type of training is valuable. Okay. So, I came up with um I think it's eight sort of aspects, if you will, of why this kind of drilling is valuable for your business. Okay? Now, obviously, you're not going to, you know, literally, you know, drill with a sword, although, you know, you may choose to do that for other reasons, right? Because it's um it's something interesting to do. It's it's kind of a, you know, cool skill. If you're ever at a costume party and you're wearing a sword, you know, you can show how how
12:09 the sword is handled, that sort of thing. Okay. Uh but in your business, you're, you know, drilling can drilling, I I would argue, has an important part to play in helping your team be able to not react to a crisis, but respond to a crisis. to a crisis, not panic, not um be, you know, caught flatfooted not knowing what to do. Okay. So, so um number one, mastery of the manual at
12:45 arms sword um first of off requires breaking the skills into sequenced steps. Okay. So, if you noticed in the video, the initial the initial command was draw. Now, when when the when the command draw was issued, okay, the the person doing it, he reached down, he grabbed his scabbard and he tilted it at a 45 degree angle. He he put his hand on the grip of the sword and he drew it out
13:20 about 10 in. Okay, that's that's what you do on the command draw. And then on the command sword, he pulled the sword out, he held it out in front of him, and then he brought it down to what's called the carry sword position. Okay? So, in in effect, there's essentially three movements to the draw sword command. There's draw, tilt the scabbard, and and pull out the sword 10 inches. sword. Pull out the sword. And then kind of the the second part of sword is to bring it down to the carry
13:55 sword position. Okay. Next there was the movement or the order I should say present sword. Okay. So from the carry sword position he brought the sword. You know I can take my sword out and show you this. Um I I can't do the draw sword because I would put it through my computer. Okay. So um he's at the carry sword position. Okay. With the with this with the the blade is facing out. Okay. And then he says, "Present." Okay. And he brings it up in front of his face. The sword is tilted actually roughly
14:30 30°. And then he calls sword. I'm going to have to I can't swing it down because it'll hit something. But um he he he swings it down so that the sword is essentially pointed at the ground. Okay. The tip is pointed at the ground. So again there's two parts to that present sword or two movements to that present sword command. Then the command is given um order sword. Okay. Order sword is merely turning the sword so that it's
15:06 it's actually an extension of the arm pointing down as opposed as opposed to kind of pointing at the side. So in this case there's really only one movement order and then sword. You turn the sword. Okay. But you can see it's broken down into little pieces. And then the next the next uh command is carry sword. So it's you know carry and then you know sword you know you bring it back up to this position. Okay. And then finally return
15:41 sword. So there's so the the the the carry sword there's actually two parts to it as well because you go from order sword back to the carry sword position of the blade. So there's carry and then sword. Okay, you bring it back to you know it being against your shoulder and then return sort. So you do return. It's kind of the opposite of draw sort. the if you noticed the uh chief warrant officer, he grabbed the um scabbard again. He tilted it at 45 degrees. He
16:17 inserted the sword into the scabbard until about 10 in of of the blade was left out and then sword he put it in the rest of the way. He let go of the scabbard and he resumed the add attention stance. Okay. So you can see that there's one, two or three movements within each command and in order to learn the sequence sequence well. So each move is practiced individually. Okay? So he probably did draw sword, you
16:52 know, a hundred times. Then he did present sword a 100 times and so on and so on before he then put it together um into uh into the overall uh sequence. Okay. So each is practiced in isolation in in and then they're linked together into a fluid sequence. This gives you the basic philosophy necessary for for for practicing any type of action that has multiple steps. Okay. So
17:28 whether it's the informing of the team that a crisis is present and that and that requires sending emails or sending text messages or both or whatever that is, right? those distinct uh parts of each of the of the overall sequence need to be identified in practice, right? So um in business, so if you think about for example an auto assembly line in manufacturing, right? So a new worker learns one station,
18:03 right? maybe installing a door or installing part of a door. Okay, before moving on to the next step, right? So, it's not a matter of learning how to build a car. It's a matter of learning each step in the overall process that eventually is the sequence of uh building a car, right? You don't learn them all together. Okay, let's let's take a break. America is a maritime nation. Our freedom and security depend on strong sea services.
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19:16 from the Military and I'm your host Kevin Bemel and And if you noticed in that ad for the Beverly Hills Navy League when it talked about the sea services, it mentioned the Coast Guard as being one of those. So that that's why I said in a moment you'll you'll hear about that. Okay. So we're talking about how the drilling that leads to proficiency in the manual uh manual at arms sword can be uh adopted slashadapted to training and drilling procedures for your business. Especially if for responding to a crisis where there's
19:51 there may not be a lot of time to be thinking things through. Response needs to be rapid in order to uh reduce uh how badly the crisis damages the business or delays the business's ability to operate. So, we talked about breaking down whatever sequences are going to be enacted in in a crisis response situation into individual parts. Uh, learning each step in isolation and then putting it together into an overall fluid sequence. Okay, so that's that's
20:27 number one. Number two, precision should come before speed. Okay. So operating quickly but making mistakes in a especially in a crisis tends to only make the crisis worse. Okay. So better to practice you know getting each step correct and and work on that and from that will come speed. So there's an expression uh slow is steady and steady is fast,
21:05 right? If you're making steady correct progress, in the end you'll do more good than if you hurry along, make mistakes, and now have to backtrack. Okay. So one of the aspects of of drilling in the military is that the drilling does not typically does not begin at speed. Okay? It begins more slowly. So I recall for example when I was going through what was the time called officer indoctrination school OIS and we had to
21:41 learn like we had to learn to march. Yes. Yes. We were officers. Everybody learns to march in the military. Okay. enlisted officer, warrant officer makes no difference. Okay. So, we had to learn to execute commands like uh right face, you know, attention, all these, you know, um parade, rest, all these different things, right? So, we did not start out ex learning and executing these various motions at full speed. we learned to do them and then through the drilling and and the um
22:21 um repetition, okay, we were able to bring them up to speed. So, and that's the same that's true with with the the sword drilling. When I first started practicing the manual at arms with my sword, I had to go I had to be I had to go slowly so I could be precise in getting the various movements down. Okay? And what I noticed is if I focused on being precise and and doing it right each time, the speed came along naturally. So now I can
22:57 what what what was a drill that originally took me 10 to 15 minutes to go through my pattern of of of 10, you know, groups of, you know, 10 sequences basically. I can do that now in about five to six minutes, but I'm I'm equally if not more precise now um because I've taken the time to drill in the precision. Okay. So if you think about for example in a restaurant you've got a chef in training right so the food needs to be properly plated the season needs
23:32 seasoning needs to be just just right okay so the goal should be flawless execution first rather than speed because if if a um a dish is seasoned incorrectly it doesn't matter how fast you've done that you're going to have to do it over again because the customer it it's not going to taste right to the customer. If it's not plated properly and you need to adjust it, well, that may mean now you've got to have take a second plate because the first plate is dirty and it doesn't present properly.
24:08 Okay? So getting precision down in the steps and restaurants, you know, because they even whether it's a fast food place, whether it's a casual dining, whether it's a, you know, a a higherend restaurant, the presentation of the food matters. Okay? And so uh you know having gaining precision in doing the various steps that lead to essentially you know handing the food or or placing the food in in front of the
24:43 the customer. Uh it doing it right the first time speed will come. Okay. So precision before speed. That's number two. Number three, discipline and repetition create muscle memory. And and this is really crucial. So when I when I mentioned a moment ago that by focusing on precision, what I found was I inevitably became faster and even more precise. The reason is because okay, I
25:20 developed muscle memory. So when I first started doing it, the the the way my hand had to be turned and and the way the sword had to be drawn and the feel of it in my hand and the weight of it, etc., all of that felt very strange. Okay. And so to get my ar my hand and my arm, my shoulder to move in the proper way was difficult because I just wasn't used to doing that action. Now after having practiced the sequence, you know, probably, you know, a couple of thousand
25:55 times, right? I'm much more proficient in it because the muscles in my arm and shoulder, in fact, in my whole body, they they know the drill, right? So that there's muscle memory. and and and there are times when as I'm working through the sequence and I I do it I do half the time I do it quietly calling the commands to myself and then the other half I do it without calling the commands. So there are times when I I feel like you know almost like an automaton you know doing it and and it it feels very comfortable right that's
26:32 that is the level to which we want our team to get especially when we're drilling on how to respond to a crisis. Okay, we we we want them smoothly going into whatever the sequence of um steps are for dealing with that crisis. Okay, so but and by the way, this doesn't apply only to a crisis situation. So let's say that you have some kind of customer support for for a product you have or a service that you offer, right?
27:09 and you have you maybe a call-in center or something like that. Maybe it's tech support, right? So, what you want is your your customer service reps or your, you know, technical support reps to be able to run through a a troubleshooting script basically so they can quickly and efficiently figure out what is preventing or you know what, you know, what is not working for the customer and how how it can be fixed, right? And so the more they do it, the more the more
27:46 your people work with the script, the better they're going to be with it, the more fluid they're going to be with it. And they're going to have, in this case, it would be perhaps mental muscle memory as opposed to physical muscle memory, that sort of thing. Okay? But they're equally valuable. And I would add by the way that uh in drilling the manual at arms sword, the mental muscle memory is as important as the physical muscle memory. Okay? And there because I and I I'm I'm realizing this now because
28:22 there's a couple of of of movements that I execute. Um, one of them is the present sword movement and another one is the parade rest movement. Okay, present parade. They they're obviously they're not exactly the same, but they're they'reerative. And so what I find is I I, you know, as I'm especially when I'm calling the commands softly to myself, sometimes I'll call the wrong command because they are somewhat similar, right? So, I haven't gotten the
28:57 mental muscle memory as thoroughly as I've gotten the physical muscle memory, which means I need to do more drilling. And and so that's one of the things that you can look for in when when you're training your people is, you know, how how well are they able to execute kind of without really having to think about it or, you know, really deeply focus on it. Okay. So discipline and rep and and uh repetition create muscle memory. Okay. Um next um shared standards create
29:32 cohesion. Okay. So, if you were to see how anyone handles the manual of sword arms, whether it's uh a a soldier, a marine, a sailor, a coast guardsman, an airman, it doesn't matter. Every it's all executed the same way because it's the same manual at arms. Okay? And and it, you know, especially within the services themselves. So there they're all there there there may be minor I should say there may be minor
30:08 differences between the different service branches but within the Marine Corps it's all done the same way. Every single Marine who has ever drilled with a sword has done it the same way. Not just recently but for you know decades upon decades upon decades in the in you know the the US Marine Corps is over 200 years old. the manual at- arms sword has probably been done the same way for the entire 200 years. Okay. So there's a certain spree to core there's a certain uh unit cohesion that comes from
30:43 learning to do something the same way not only everybody else currently does it but the way generations before have done it. Okay. And so, uh, you know, again, in in in a crisis, right, the the sense that, um, you know, we're all working in a team with this same sequence to to deal with the crisis. That creates cohesion among the various team members and it increases the chance that they will execute more
31:21 effectively as opposed to a situation where each kind of has his own thing to do or each person is deciding what he's going to do and everybody's kind of going off in their own direction. there's no cohesion there and so it's it's almost by definition going to be less effective and again this doesn't only apply in a crisis. So, if you think about how a company like Starbucks has uh trains its baristas uh to make various drinks, whether it's a latte or
31:56 an Americana or whatever it is, the the steps to making any particular drink are the same in in, you know, Los Angeles. They're the same in Omaha, Nebraska. They're the same in Hong Kong. They're the same in I don't know if they have Starbucks in Paris. I assume they do Paris, right? Doesn't matter where the Starbucks location is, the sequence of events is the same. And so a a barista could go from one store to another. There's no need for retraining. They can
32:32 become an integral member of the team right away because of this cohesiveness that comes from from from this type of training. Okay. So shared standards create cohesion. Uh number five, so feedback loops are non-negotiable when you're doing this type of training. Now I just showed you the execution of the movements. I didn't show you any of the training, but if I showed you a training video, what you would see is when somebody executing a move, if he
33:07 may if he did it incorrectly, the drill instructor would right away correct the movement. Okay? Because, and that's critically important because if an incorrect movement is allowed to be repeated several times, now you're the the person practicing or drilling is forced to not just learn how to do it right, but learn how to stop doing the wrong thing before he learns to do it right. Okay? So the feedback should be
33:42 essentially immediate and the idea is for the person learning the manual at arms sword to im to just immediately fix whatever it is that they're doing wrong. Okay? And in doing so small errors don't calcify and become bad habits. They get corrected immediately. And so precision can actually can be uh achieved much more quickly, right? So especially in a crisis, right, where time is of a ne,
34:17 you know, of a necessity, it is it is the crucial factor to getting things back on track, right? We we we can't afford for small mistakes to set us back. And so while we're drilling, we want to bring to the attention immediately of our team members what even small things they're doing that are detracting from properly responding to the crisis. Now I'm you know you you've probably all seen you know movies of of drill instructors you know dealing with recruits all that and
34:53 they're screaming at them and all that. But by the way that that actually doesn't really happen in the military anymore. It it's it's just not an effective way to train people these days. There's no reason to be screaming at your people and some sort of perverse imitation of military drill. The idea is is to, you know, have everybody execute one part of a move, right? Like I talked about the draw sword and then down to the carry position, right? So you'll have people draw, right? Some people are only going to pull it out maybe two inches. That's not far enough because it's supposed to be about 10. So draw.
35:29 Okay. And then people are going to do that and quickly the drill instructor is going to look and he's going to say, you know, Bemel, you need to you need to pull your sword out 10 inches, not two. Yes. Yes. You know, yes, Sergeant. Or, you know, yes, chief. Yes, Chief. Um or or Bemel, you've got your sword most of the way out. It should only come out 10 inches. So, put it set it back to 10 inches. Yes, Chief. Right. Do it all the way. And then, you know, on down the line of people who are learning it. Okay. Now the fact of the matter is I was a chaplain. I wasn't allowed to learn the manual of sword arms when I was uh uh a manual uh man sorry manual
36:04 of arms sword when I was going through training. But uh just as for examples purposes um but but in any event correcting those small mistakes um on on you know on a immediate feedback loop is important. So, you know, think about um the the front desk at a hotel, right? And the manager is watching during the busy check-in time and to see if the staff is following protocol properly, properly, greeting people as they step up to the desk, doing all the steps to
36:40 get them checked in, you know, making sure they have a thing, what whatever the sequence is, right? and the manager is watching this and he can quietly step behind any particular front desk clerk and say um you know ma make sure to greet the the guest or make you know you make sure that you do you know this or that whatever it is you can just do that quietly right to help the person remember and not develop bad habits right so that that's a noncrisis example of of feedback loops are non-negotiable Okay. Next, um, mental
37:18 focus is as important as physical skill. So, I I I mentioned that when I talked about developing muscle memory as well as mental muscle memory, right? So, um, I I'm I'm not going to go over what I said there again, but suffice it to say that it's, you know, in any kind of situation where there are physical things that need to be done. Okay. Um the physical aspects of the the task or the building the sequence does not take precedence over making sure that the
37:55 mental focus is maintained and the mental muscle memory is developed. Okay. And and this is important because the sequence may have sort of um um shifting off points where you come here and you need to make a quickly make a decision. and am I going to go alternative A or alternative B? Right? And so staying focused mentally is important to make sure that the sequence, you know, stays on track in terms of dealing with the crisis or or you know, whatever or even if it's not a crisis, just the regular whatever the
38:31 regular process is. Okay. So um if you think about uh flying an airplane, right? So the flight crew often times has the plane on autopilot. Okay. But still they need to monitor the instruments. They need to monitor the weather report. They may need to uh monitor radio calls. Okay? So that if there is a change they can respond to it immediately. That's what makes flying an airplane whether it's a single engine
39:08 private plane or whether it's a you know large multi-engine commercial jet the sort of constant vigilance is very important. Okay. And so um this this needs to be addressed as part of your drilling process. And you know, you you need to throw in some curve balls to see are people staying mentally focused as well as following through on the muscle memory develop for the physical skills. Okay. Both of those are important. Okay.
39:44 And then finally, so drill prepares prepares someone for stress. Okay. So, um, when you're when a a military unit is on parade, okay? Uh, and let's say you in the Navy, you'll you know, a battalion will go on parade. I know when we did our graduation, we we we did it in the gymnasium because it was just bitterly cold in um Newport, Rhode Island in uh our graduation was in uh October, I believe it was. Was already
40:20 bitterly cold. Uh, and there I I think it had even snowed. It was snowed early that year. Too cold to do outside. So, we paraded in the gymnasium as what's called the battalion in the Navy. Different than in what a battalion is in the Army and Marine Corps. But, nonetheless, the officer leading the battalion had to know the uh the the the manual at arms sword. And that officer was under a tremendous amount of stress to do all the movements correctly because that
40:56 officer was not only in front of the uh officers who ran the school who were there to observe us as graduates, hand us our you know there were some of us who got awards and such things. Our family members were there for for many of us. Our family members were there to watch us graduate. Other members of other classes uh I think were there as well to watch us graduate. Okay. So it was a daunting situation for the the class member um who who was the
41:32 battalion commander at the graduation. And so drilling prepared him for stress. Now, I think in our case, the person who ended up doing it was a former Marine who had become a Navy chaplain. U but so he knew the the manual at arms sword well and so he dealt fine under the stress of a parade probably because he'd done it when he was in the Marine Corps. Nonetheless, we want our people to have, you know, what we might call sort of, you know, grace under fire, right? We want them to
42:08 be able to perform well in a stressful situation. And so that is what drilling helps us do. Okay? Whether it's the manual at arms sword or whether let's say you've got a team that's making a presentation to investors. You don't want the first time the presentation is done to be in front of the investors. That would be deadly. The situation is stressful. there's a lot writing on it in terms of raising capital, right? So your the team needs to practice that presentation many times and they need to do it in
42:45 front of other people who can maybe throw them questions that might be curveballs so they get used to the dynamic of giving the presentation and they can perform well under stress. So these are the these are the lessons that that that I drew from my own learning of the manual at arms sword that it it's just it the the drilling process. It it seems boring. It can be boring but in reality drill is a very important way for preparing ourselves and the members
43:21 of our team to perform well. Especially when the stakes are high, when there's a crisis, when there's multiple crises sort of coming one on top of the other, when the stakes are high, like that presentation to investors. Okay? Drilling is what will most likely get us through and be effective. So, that's what I've got for you today on Business Lessons from the Military. I I hope you found this useful. I' I'd love to hear your comments, thoughts, criticisms. Links to the to uh social
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44:32 then on Thursday at 5:00 p.m. Pac 5:00 PM Pacific time is my show, Jiggers's Place. We'll have a cocktail and and a schmoo as I call it talk about non finance and business related topics as we head into the end of the week. So I thank you very much for joining me today especially my live viewers. Thanks so much for joining me live. Wishing you a wonderful rest of the day and signing off as I always do. Marie darling, you are my bell. Courage.