0:00 who are you and where are you going what do you [Music] want hello and welcome to business lessons from the military I'm your host Kevin bemel and we're here every Tuesday at 10:00 a.m. Pacific time to talk about military history Doctrine practices of great military leaders all by way of
0:35 distilling lessons that we can apply to our business and professional lives so today I'm talk I'm going to be talking about tame bureaucracy and the this this is something that um in this case the military I think provides a very bad example and and and if you if you saw any of my social media posts you noted that uh I'm talking about the defense and National Intelligence agencies and
1:11 an apparatus and there are um basically um depending on how you count them at least six major centers of intelligence gathering and Analysis and in in the the depart within the um Department of Defense um and and that's if you count um all of the um um individual service branches uh in intelligence departments as sort of one overall Department which
1:48 which they're actually not if you count those separately so you've got more like 10 or 11 just within the Department of Defense and then there's another five or six outside the department dep of Defense now I'm going to be focusing today primarily on the dod Department of Defense agencies to give you an idea of of the the scope and the structure um and I'm I'm going to hit just for a few minutes on on the national agencies so so so let let's get started because I I think this will be very instructive uh not just from a
2:24 business standpoint but from the way that organizations sort of accumulate um departments that are duplicative or they may not be exact copies but they're they're very similar and yet they're all sort of diffuse and all over the place so as I mentioned um the Department of Defense there within it there are the the basic service branches so there's the Army the Marine Corps the Navy the
2:59 air Force Space force and the Coast Guard okay now the Coast Guard isn't um always within the Department of Defense only during wartime and um otherwise it's within the Department of Homeland Security um and and the the the by the way the order that I mentioned them um is What's called the their order of Precedence it's based on when they were founded so the US Army was found first the US Marine Corps was actually found founded second and then the Navy third although Navy and the Marine Corps were were
3:34 pretty close in founding date uh so each one of those service branches has their own intelligence Department that it ostensibly is there to support the operation uh of of that particular service Branch now what you're going to find as I go through them is there's no standardization at all right so the United States Army has the US Army intelligence and security Command
4:10 inscom right um the department of the Navy has the Oni the Office of Naval intelligence the Air Force has the Air Force intelligence surveillance surveillance and reconnaissance agency the ISR the Marine Corps has got the um MC CIA the Marine Corps intelligence agency uh space force has the space Operations Command intelligence and finally the US Coast Guard has Coast Guard intelligence CGI right so no no
4:47 standardization uh at at all in in terms of the names um not that you know that's required um but it shows you that each each service branch developed its its own idea of what its intelligence needs are and how it fits within the overall structure of of the service Branch so talking about the um US Army first so in inscom provides tactical operational and strategic intelligence
5:22 to support um army operations and it focuses on the Battlefield intelligence so the enemy movements terrain analysis Force composition of of the um of the enemy um and it conducts both uh what's called Sig signant signals intelligence and human human intelligence okay I'm going to talk more about what those are when I get down to the um Dia and the NSA um so
5:57 I'm going to I'm going to skip over the uh that right now um and then the Army intelligence um and security command um also um has Counter Intelligence operations and and it also operates the Army's um uh cryptologic program um in collaboration with the NSA so so that's what the Army does the Navy the Office of Naval intelligence it focuses on Maritime intelligence so Naval operations foreign ship movements Port
6:32 activities um and it supports as you might guess Naval uh operations but also joint operations in which the Navy is involved so if you talk to um people you know Marine Corps um uh people they'll tell you that the Navy is really the chauffeur service for for the Marine Corps there is some truth to that that's not the only thing the Navy does do but one of the Navy's uh important responsibilities is moving Marines around to where they need to be and uh
7:08 for some reason the phone is ringing off the hook this morning okay so um not unlike um the Army uh intelligence and security command uh the Navy conducts uh cryptologic and Sant um as well as geospatial intelligence to protect Navy assets um and it also assesses foreign Naval capabilities um and and emergence emerging technologies that apply uh to to the Navy now by the way this is not going to be the first time you hear
7:44 these various um activities okay so the the ISR the Air Force intelligence agency so it provides intelligence for air and space operations so although we now have space force or we've had it for the last roughly seven or eight years um the Air Force covers space operations as well including targeting threat analysis and battle damage assessment so if the air force uh you know sends a group of
8:19 bombers out to bomb a Target um they will also do um some sort of um survey to see uh whether the uh bombing uh you know was successful or how successful it was um before they go on to whatever the next operation will be so um the ISR also monitors Global Air and Space activities including adversaries Air Forces missile systems and space-based systems now one would have thought that
8:55 this was transferred over to space command but but there's you know redundancy there um and here's the thing the individual service branches are very reluctant to give up any um responsibility they have um because they don't want to lose the funding that goes with that activity because that funding translates into the ability to retain personel now it it
9:30 translates into the ability to train to do uh U re research and etc etc and and just sort of bottom line to participate in what's going on Visa is the the Department of Defense fulfilling its responsibilities so um for example there has been for probably most of its existence um a fight to close to get rid of the Marine Corps um because U people who Advocate that position say well you know the Marine Corps um it duplicates uh the Army we
10:08 you know we we don't need a Marine Corps anymore um commanders on the original um purpose for a a marine contingent on a ship was to protect the commanding officer because um we didn't have modern in you know communication so a ship a a captain of a a ship was out there alone on his ship with you know tens or in some cases hundreds of sailors under his command if they decided they didn't like him they could Mutiny and there was
10:43 nothing the captain could do so he had a Marine Corps contingent on board to protect him and to put down any sort of mutinous thoughts um but um and the Marines the Marines on the ship did other things sniper they were snipers often times Etc um but clearly we don't need Marines on board a ship to prevent a mutiny in in in today's Navy uh so you know people some people have taken the attitude what do we need the Marine Corps for well in contemporary Warfare and this has really been um throughout
11:19 the history of the Marine Corps they've specialized in amphibious Landings now uh for those of you who know World War II history you know that the US Army conducted amphibious Landings both at Normandy as well as in the Pacific so um the you know the US Army did that um at least during World War II um but post World War Two the Army has not focused on amphibious um uh the amphibious conduct of War um they've been more of a
11:54 Battlefield force so that's the difference and that's that's what the Marine Corps has hung its haton now for you know really most of its existence but certainly its post World War II existence so but that's by way of of uh and the Marine Corps has been very Adept at lobbying Congress to keep you know keep it in existence basically um that that is clearly one of the Marine corps's strongest abilities um and and
12:29 so that that's why I'm using this as an example of how the service branches are very tenacious about protecting their territory and protecting what they do and and and you know their capabilities so um and and just you know side note I'm in favor of keeping the Marine Corps Big Marine Corps fan serve at the Marine Corps for over three years uh so um um you know I I see its purpose but um so I I don't I I'm not I don't um
13:05 mean to be portive in in using the Marine Corps it's just it's it's a it's a solid example of of the tenacity of of the service branches to protect themselves and what they do so now going so going back to the um the uh defense I mean the intelligence capabilities of service branches so the mcia um you know it delivers tactical and operational intelligence to the Marine Corps expeditionary operations it focus on on Battlefield intelligence and
13:41 amphibious operations close combat um scenarios those are the things Battlefield is not so much um an issue for the Marine Corps these days as opposed to amphibious operations and close combat uh support that is something that is part that's been part of Marine Corps Doctrine especially since World War II when they developed it um and and the Marine Corps intelligence agency analyzes terrain weather um the capabilities of adversaries all by way of supporting uh the the Marine corps's um
14:17 operations and Mission um and um it also provides intelligence for for small unit and Special Operations so um and by the way that's very very similar to what the um uh to what Army intelligence does okay and and and in a way to what all the service branches do okay so space force intelligence it focuses on space-based threats including um adversaries satellite capabilities and anti-satellite capabilities um and maintains uh space
14:54 situational awareness right I mean in in theory it's keeping an eye on how space is being militarized so you you'll notice that that's not exactly the same thing as what the Air Force's ISR does um the Air Force ISR is more sort of um missile focused and and that sort of thing and there are missiles that um uh launch into Subspace um you know how things were separated between space force and
15:30 the Air Force must have been some kind of negotiation as to what each would cover um but undoubtedly there are some some overlaps there okay and finally um US Coast Guard intelligence so um the US Coast Guard in general focuses on um Maritime security es Coastal security primarily um but it also does drug interdiction human trafficking um and Port security now you will find at times for example there
16:05 will be Coast Guard uh Cutters in for example the Persian Gulf um and and that's because some of the operations that the military conducts um really require the kind of uh um close toore training and skills that the Coast Guard has as opposed to what the Navy does which is really you know Blue Water if you will uh operations so while there are while the Navy does maintain specialized loral craft they're
16:43 really designed more for amphibious operations than they are um the the kind of things that I just mentioned things like drug interdiction and and and Port security and such um and in fact excuse me when I was uh stationed at uh Point uh Point LMA with the uh submarine Squadron so the um um the boats that the Navy had for um um essentially working with the the
17:19 various submarines on training um were changed from being part of the Navy to a civilian contractor um and my understanding was that uh the port security vessels either have been or or were going to become um civilianized as well so that's another part of this is um not all of the service branches operations are conducted by uniformed Personnel anymore in many cases they are conducted by civilians so uh for example
17:56 um the um oh I can't think of the name of the TV show it's about the um uh the part of the Navy that investigates crimes and such so um while on the TV show I think they they appeared as uniformed Personnel um I know the people we had on on on my ship when we were deployed um from the uh from that particular uh Naval what was it called Navy uh oh shoot um anyway um oh NCIS Naval criminal Investigation
18:32 Services so the people the NCIS people on our my ship when we were deployed were civilians okay so um they did not wear uniforms they were not authorized to wear uniforms um they were they were civilian contractors so uh you can see some of the same thing happening within um the these various um uh intelligence agencies as well okay so so that's those are the those are the agencies at the individual service branches now the DIA the defense
19:09 intelligence agency is is in essence the umbrella Intelligence Agency for the Department of Defense so um it provides Military Intelligence to Frontline uh combat Personnel uh soldiers Marines sailor Etc as well as to polic defense policy makers and planners okay so the the DIA collaborates and works closely with the intelligence agencies or departments in each of the military service branches to
19:47 make sure that there's effective collection and Analysis and dissemination going on and they act as a central hub for all of these agencies so we haven't really really hit yet on substantial overlap okay so that you know with with each of the service branches needing to be able to collect intelligence for their specif the specific type of operations they conduct those are all necessary and there needs to be someone at the top at the umbrella if you were overseeing all this
20:24 coordinating it and making sure that if there's Intelligence being collected let's by space force that the Air Force needs or vice versa that that's that that kind of collaboration is is is happening okay so the DIA the defense intelligence agency um it it it it first of all it collects and analyzes Military Intelligence okay and supports military operations it also deals with Counter Intelligence and security now it it deals with basically um human intelligence human I've mentioned that
21:00 before so it conducts uh covert and um and overt operations to gather intelligence um directly from Human sources okay and you'll you'll see in a minute Sig uh another type of intelligence um is is is different than that okay so it also does uh scientific and Technical um intelligence so um it analyzes foreign Weapons Systems especially those of our adversaries and emerging uh technologies that could impact uh us defense
21:36 capabilities um and finally um it does strategic and tactical intelligence support again in concert with the various service Branch um uh intelligence agencies uh to make sure that there's as much interoperability and proper collaboration as as possible possible okay so that's the DIA um and and it's it's headquartered in Washington DC um now as you might imagine the Gathering of intelligence by let's say the Army is
22:12 happening pretty much wherever the Army is operating okay so then it it has to F it has to U flow up to um you know various echelons throughout the Army until it basically gets to uh the department of the army offices which are in uh Washington DC as well where where the DIA is so the DIA collaboration is happening at a pretty high level um and and and everything has to sort of flow up um you know to to get to
22:47 the uh to get to the DIA now here's next was where we're going to start to see um I think in essence you you would start out why why do we have this separate okay so next is the NSA which is the National Security Agency and it focuses primarily on Sig signals intelligence and cyber security so why a completely separate Agency for dealing with that by the way the NSA is part of the Department of Defense so it's not it's not outside the dod it's within it why
23:23 it's separate uh probably has to do with some kind of historic situation where um the Gathering of signals intelligence became more important and so this separate agency was set up to my mind what the NSA does should be wrapped into the DIA because the DIA is the overall coordinator of intelligence activities within the department of of Defense so there's no reason to have a separate
23:59 agency a full separate agency uh for Signal intelligence just have a another department within the DIA to to deal with that type of intelligence okay so uh signals intelligence is intelligence gathered from things like uh well from from foreign Communications so telephone email radio Transmissions other types of of um you know other types of electronic Transmissions uh things going over the
24:35 Internet that that sort of thing satellite Communications uh presumably as well okay and so the NSA gathers all that data and it analyzes it and then it reports it to both US policy makers military leaders and Allied government in order to Aid in their decision-making okay so it also deals with cyber security and information awareness um which which would make sense because it's dealing in that sort of cyber world if you will okay but it and it also
25:11 conduct conducts offensive cyber um operations so um not not that not that the NSA was involved in what Israel did with the pagers in in the famous incident where they blew up all those pagers but that's an offensive cyber operation that's the kind of thing presumably the NSA uh could do or would do um if it was ever you know asked to put together you know that type of covert um uh cyber offensive operation okay now along with
25:48 its uh intelligence gathering analysis and dissemination activities the NSA also does research and development okay and uh like the DIA which um coordinates with a with intelligence agencies outside of the dod including the CIA the FBI um it um the NSA coordinates with other countries intelligence um agencies um including um the the the UK Canada Australia and and New Zealand
26:24 okay um and it also works closely with the CIA and the FBI as well so the question should come up why do we have this whole separate bureaucratic department when the countries that the NSA is collaborating with when the agencies within the federal government's collaborating with are the same that the DIA is collaborating with right and and anytime you create a separate Department you get Turf battles right that's the problem with expanding or one of the
27:00 problems anyway with expanding bureaucracies right and and you also have to expand more money because each one wants its own identity Etc so uh for you know for the incoming um uh uh Secretary of Defense I think you know if he wants to save money at the dod one of the things he might do is uh integrate the NSA into the DIA and and get rid of this separate bureaucracy take the parts out of the NSA that are that you know are not duplicated in the
27:36 DIA and put them there and get rid of the rest right that that would get rid of some of that bureaucracy it would get rid of the expense and it would also um presumably make uh the the intelligence gathering analysis and dissemination process work more smoothly okay now the NSA by the way is is headquartered at Fort me which is in Maryland it's about 20 miles from Washington DC so it's in the same you know general area um and and and so you know you wouldn't even have to
28:11 necessarily relocate the offices okay next is an agency that if you're familiar with the development of the Internet you may have heard of it's called DARPA the defense Advanced research uh projects agency so DARPA focuses on re research and development now if you recall just a few minutes ago I mentioned the NSA does research and development within the Cyber realm cyber security cyber offensive operations realm Etc and the cant realm right so uh
28:49 DARPA does that more broadly so why does the NSA have a separate research and development department uh again it's just you know all of these bureaucracies are somewhat self- feeding right so if they can grab more um more responsibilities or at least more duties they will because then the funding to make those happen has to follow along as well at least in their eyes right so um and why is DARPA DARPA separate from the
29:26 DIA again must have something to do with the history of how these you know various agencies um were were created but but presumably um darpa's work would be informed by current um intelligence needs and projected future intelligence needs and so as they did their research and development they would at least have that in mind as a way to decide how they were going to direct the re the R&D right um but
30:01 instead DARPA stands as a separate you know Department within the dod o overall as opposed to within um the DIA so um uh you know I'm not going to go into um you know all of the duties of of of DARPA only to say that again here we have um we we have another bu Bureau ocracy that um a standalone bureaucracy that really you know does doesn't need to be um and
30:38 by the way the the areas that DARPA focuses on include cyber security so do that would that directly uh overlaps with the NSA so no need to to have that um but it also looks at space technology biotechnology um AI artificial intelligence as well as hypersonics so there it it really is meant to be a fairly um broad-based R&D agency related
31:13 to um intelligence um um but not I'm sorry related to not just intelligence um but to um other areas of R&D that are useful to the military so um I would argue that um the individual service branches um uh you know hopefully they're coordinating with DARPA because they know what they need they they know how they're going to have to conduct
31:48 missions okay um and so you know how DARPA um does that part of its R&D as opposed to intelligence related R&D right um it's it's it's it's hard to say but there there are definitely parts of DARPA that are duplicate duplicative um with um other uh intelligence agencies within the dod and so really you know DARPA maybe ought to have those you know taken away and put put into into
32:25 the um uh you know into the under the DIA umbrella or um the DIA and and NSA should give those up to DARPA so that they're not uh again duplicate the Brock bureaucracy isn't duplicating itself okay next is the National geospatial Intelligence Agency the NG which deals with geoint which is Geo geospatial intelligence okay so what is what is uh Geo so it
33:03 collects Geo spatial data from satellites drones aircraft and other sources it creates Maps imagery 3D models um of of terrain infrastructure Etc um so uh obviously it does this in support of National Security it provides this information to the various service branches um but again if you recall um the Navy I'm sorry the Army does uh intelligence related to terrain and Battlefield
33:38 conditions Etc so you know what is the NGA doing that's that's different than that uh what is the uh NGA doing that's different than the type of uh Maritime uh intelligence gathering that the Navy is doing um you know pre presumably um uh you know these there there is duplication there as well um and and so you know maybe the NGA needs
34:14 like the NSA needs to be put under the DIA get rid of the Redundant bureaucracy just take out the specialized skills and activities that the NGA does and give get rid of again more of the bureaucracy okay so um the the you know the NGA has a global monitoring responsibility but these days so does the DIA it's it's you know the the Department of Defense has to be looking at the whole Global um uh
34:50 uh defense situation um both from an intelligence standpoint as far as the DIA is concerned um as as well as more broadly in terms of working with allies so um there's nothing you know the the NGA doesn't somehow have a a larger um you know territory that it has to cover relative to uh relative to the um um you know rest of the military okay so you see redundant bureaucracy there and then finally the the last um defense uh
35:26 intelligence um agency we're going to talk about is the missile defense agency okay now it it develops and deploys missile defense systems okay you might say well that's not really intelligence well um it's not specifically um but excuse me um the assets that the missile defense agency uses um including air-based systems and and cbas systems that Etc um are often times used uh for
36:02 intelligence gathering so in this case the missile defense agency is kind of like DARPA in that it has both a connection to the intelligence uh Gathering and and an and Analysis and dissemination functions of the DIA but it also has something that has aspects that have that don't really have anything to do with intelligence so uh you know what to do about that um it's you know that I think there there's there is probably an overlapping not probably there is an overlapping of
36:39 bureaucracies with the uh MDA and the DIA um and and probably not probably and with um both space force and the Air Force's intelligence agencies so I you know rather than just letting these things go on through inertia an examination of these bureaucracies needs to be done with an eye to getting rid of the Redundant bureaucracy okay so you know just in this short time we've been talking here for a little over a half an hour we've been able to identify a
37:14 number of uh redundancies um in in the intelligence uh capabilities within the Department of Defense and you know again I I I make this I've made this point a couple of times already when you have competing bureaucracies okay you get number one inefficiencies number two higher costs um sometimes you get a a siloing so that although different bureaucracies are supposed to be sharing data with each other they don't in order to try and and
37:50 gain some kind of competitive Advantage right those are all the negative parts of bureaucracies that's why why in general the word bureaucracy has a negative connotation to it right um and so uh you know the DD I think really needs to examine this issue uh and and and see how to tame its bureaucracy right the theme of or the title of today's show now just real real quickly I'm gonna mention six intelligence agencies outside of the dod are part of
38:28 the federal government so there's the odni the office of the Director of National Intelligence okay that supposedly coordinates all us intelligence Community um activities there's the CIA right the Central Intelligence Agency uh whichi which is the the successor to um the um spy agency that was created during World War II the off the oss the office of strategic services that was the first first real spy agency that the United States federal government had okay then there's the
39:03 FBI the Federal Bureau of Investigation which has an intelligence Branch now why the CIA and the the FBI the CIA is not supposed to conduct intelligence operations within the United States only outside of the United States whereas the FBI has the responsibility for conducting intelligence operations within the United States uh one of the things that came up um as a result of 911 was that this this so-called firewall had been established between the CIA and the FBI so there was no
39:40 intelligence sharing going on and so when uh outside forces decided to attack the American Homeland the CIA knew some stuff about it the FBI maybe knew some stuff but there was no coordination and so post 9911 that that firewall was I don't think it was done away with completely but it was reduced in order to allow uh off you know outside of the US intelligence gathering and Analysis and dissemination to coordinate with the uh
40:16 Gathering analysis and dissemination of intelligence within the United States and by the way especially major metropolitan police departments they have intelligence agencies as well for example the NYPD so the FBI is not the only um organization that does it it's it is the one that does it um at at the federal level um and the the local in intelligence gathering agencies of of police departments are not required to coordinate with the FBI um but they they typically do okay then there's the
40:51 national reconnaissance office which designs and builds and operates reconnaissance satellites okay then there's the Department of Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis okay which is addressing domestic threats so you would say well wait isn't that what the FBI is doing yep yep I mean it is so you know FBI is part of the justice department there so you know maybe the FBI needs to move over to the Department of Homeland Security and then we don't need an Office of Intelligence and Analysis
41:27 uh you know again we we've got we've got an you know an untamed bureaucracy outside the dod as well and then finally the um energy department has an Office of Intelligence and Counter Intelligence that is there to protect energy infrastructure and especially um to prevent nuclear uh PR proliferation right so you've got a half a dozen intelligence agencies within the federal government in addition to the um 10 or 11 within the dod right so that all requires a tremendous amount of of money of
42:05 personnel of coordination um and and then all the uh again the negatives that I mentioned about the bureaucracy so so what is our lesson from for our businesses well one is is is clear we need to be very careful about adding um bureaucracies to our businesses so so if you've been following the news um at all um uh I believe it was last week U Mark Zuckerberg the head of Facebook or or meta um announced that he was getting rid of the the whole
42:42 factchecking um bureaucracy within Facebook um something it had just become enormous over the last u 10 years or so uh and you know people have been speculating why is why did he decide to do this and you know is he cow Towing to the incoming Administration um etc etc etc so I think there was a great a very good analysis of it in the Wall Street Journal last week and one of the things they suggested was that uh the cost to
43:18 maintain this factchecking bureaucracy was billions of dollars billions with a B right so you know was or is Mark Zuckerberg looking to uh you know Curry favor with the incoming uh Administration or is he using the incoming Administration as an excuse to get rid of a multi-billion doll expense right that is holding back the profitability of of his company
43:55 right or and or maybe it's both right two things can be happening at the same time so um that's an excellent and and what he's by the way what he's going with is something what he's replacing it with is something called Community notes this is something that Alon musk um started at at X and and essentially then the users of Facebook will become the fact Checkers right and if somebody posts something that somebody else thinks is inaccurate or what ever so they can post a note about it explaining
44:30 why they think it's inaccurate Etc right so uh you know it was presented by Zuckerberg as uh a recommitment to free speech okay take him at his word um I I don't know the man never met him um but there's no doubt that he was taming the bureaucracy of at Facebook in addition to to whatever else may be his rationale for for getting rid of the factchecking bureaucracy and so I I think that you know that is in this
45:08 case that's a lesson that the dod maybe needs to learn from Facebook right is look at your bureaucracy whereas it had grown overgrown itself and how do you tame it right the the dod has been historically reluctant to tame bureaucracy um because of the the sort of interessing fighting that goes on among the service branches and the sort of historical inertia that's come from the creation of we was just telling
45:44 about we've just been talking about intelligence agencies but just the the dod overall right and and it makes it very very hard to get rid of any bureaucracies especially since um each of the service branches and agencies they're all doing there behind the scenes lobbying to build up their power base whether it's in Congress or in a particular um part of of the executive branch Etc right so we want to avoid that in our businesses and and and we
46:21 should take a lesson from the sclerotic nature of the Department of Defense Vis ofis intelligence capabilities by structuring our businesses to prevent as much as possible these kinds of things from happening so we don't want little foms within our business um that are are sort of fighting it out you know behind the scenes for Supremacy um especially if they're doing in you know similar if not the
46:56 same kind of function so um how do we do that well number one we we make it clear that what we care about is the welfare of the company and that the people who Advance within the organization are those who are looking at the welfare of the overall company not just their particular area of responsibility or influence or whatever you want to call it right that's that is a value that needs to be spoken and
47:35 acted on by senior leadership within the uh company right and this is by the way this is one of the problems that that the the military has is the you're not going to hear the chief of Naval operations say well you know we're going to stop looking for opportunities to send Sailors to do what are called brown dirt duties this is when sailors are are um
48:10 taking landbased jobs in order to keep up the number of sailors we have in the United States Navy I've never heard a a CNO say that I'd never expect to hear a CNO say that even though it's ridiculous to send for example uh Navy Intelligence Officers and enlisted people to go work in you know well not Afghanistan anymore but wherever they're going Iraq um jibuti um all these
48:46 various places okay um that that sort of landbased intelligence gathering and Analysis is not what the Navy is supposed to be doing and intelligence wise but over the last 20 years the Navy has been very skilled at getting us per uh I'm sorry Navy personnel embedded with the Army to augment the the Army's needs uh for people who can do its intelligence work now what should have happened is the Army should have hired more Army
49:23 intelligence people officers and enlisted people um because they had a bigger need and the Navy should have shrunk because uh a lot of a lot of um during the war global war on terrorism what the what the Navy did was not particularly needed okay and now that we're refocusing on the threats of China um and China primarily um now the US Navy needs to be looking to expand again because we need to be mindful of
49:58 supporting our allies like Japan like Taiwan like the Philippines right so rather than growing and shrinking the size of the various service branches based on the Strategic Defense picture for the United States it typically um Works based on how effective um the senior leadership in each service branch is in law to keep their people employed basically right so we want to avoid that we want
50:34 people working in our companies who may be even willing to say you know what my department isn't necessary anymore okay U what we're doing is duplicated with you know Jan's department or Bob's department or whatever and so we need to combine these um and and um become more efficient right and and by the way if if you know Joan is the one who's willing to stand up and essentially say you know for the good of the company um you know I'm I'm
51:09 essentially willing to give up my feom within within the organization um Joan is someone I I would argue who's a better candidate for promotion than you know Bob who wanted to keep them separate because he wants his power base and he doesn't want to lose it right so these are I think some of the things we need to examine about our companies right to make sure that we tame bureaucracy okay so the focus needs to be on what's good for the overall company
51:47 rather than individual departments and and sections of the company or subsidiaries or divisions right so take take an example from the Department of Defense intelligence establishment and then do the opposite right I haven't done a show like this before usually I say do you know handle things the way the military handles it but in this case the military is giving giving us the perfect negative example um on on on H bureaucracy and we need to tame our
52:22 bureaucracy and so not handle things the way the military does so I thank you very much for joining me today on business lessons from the military got some people watching live it's always a treat for me to to note that uh tomorrow at 10: am Pacific time is my show um people making money and my topic is new way of building relationships so especially if you're someone like me who
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