The WAY to WOW Shows
Fortune Favors the Focused
July 30, 2025
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[0:02] Who are you? And where are you going? What do you want? [Music] Hello and welcome to People Making Money. I'm your host, Kevin Bemel, and I'm here every Wednesday at 10:00 a.m. Pacific time to talk about job hunting, starting and building a business, and building wealth, all the financial aspects of our lives. So, today I'm going to be talking about one of my

[0:38] favorite books, uh, one that I think has become, if this is possible, more relevant, uh, than when it was written. And the book is called Deep Work by Cal Newport. And it was written in I want to double check. I believe it's 2017. Let's see. 2016. I was close. It was written in 2016. And uh you you probably it's hard to read the the subtitle, but rules for focused success in a distracted world. And that's that's that I think very well

[1:14] describes what the book is about. So when uh Cal Newport uh wrote the book uh almost 10 years ago, he was dealing with the phenomenon of social media and smartphones and how we're so closely connected with other people that we don't get any um or we we seem to get how can I describe we we don't take the time to do focused

[1:53] substantial work. So, uh when when the when the book came out, I I heard about it. I got it right away and I was writing uh my book at the time, which uh I just recently published on Amazon. Um, and I used uh Cal Newport's um process, if you will, to write my book because what I found was I I really needed to immerse myself in the subject matter of my book and

[2:31] for for for a certain amount of time each day. Otherwise, number one, I wasn't going to get the book done, and number two, it wasn't going to be as good enough for for what I wanted it to do. Okay? Now, like any book, it's certainly not perfect, but I was I was looking for a a a high level of impactfulness from the book and and and that required the kind of deep work that Cal Newport talks about. And so in today's world

[3:08] where uh between uh podcasts and and and still social media and the immediiacy of connections and ever greater incentives to appear busy even though we're not we're not really accomplishing anything of any great substance. The while at the same time large language models have come along and are allowing companies to

[3:43] replace um the the busy work completion function with with AIS instead of people. the ability to do deep work, I think, is is a more valuable skill than it's ever been before. So, as as as kind of a a a sidelight, I was listening to a podcast a day or two ago, um, one of the one of the business podcasts that I listen to, Wall Street Journal, Forbes, uh, Bloomberg,

[4:18] one of those. Um, and they were talking uh uh they were talking about the job market for uh recent college graduates and a lot of or I don't know about a lot but a number of companies that historically would be hiring new college grads and having them do sort of entrylevel work decided not to do that this year because what they found was large language models and and automation

[4:54] AI automation have become so powerful that they can equip their more senior people with these tools and they don't need a bunch of entry-level people to to do the kind of work that they that the you know they normally would be hired to do. Now set aside the question of okay but what's going to h how are they going to develop you know a a a pipeline of new people to you know move up the ladder right where is if there is no entry level then eventually all their

[5:29] people age out retire or die and now there's nobody working there you know setting that problem aside which could make a whole another show. It is interesting that we're already starting to see uh what what appears on its face at least to be a pretty profound change in employment trends as a result of AI. And so, you know, for for, you know, younger people coming out of college,

[6:05] I I would argue that the ability to do the kind of focused intensive work that that Cal Newport calls deep work is vital to succeeding in in the professional and the business world today. So that's that's why I decided to talk about this book. And I, as I always do, I will put a link to the book in the show notes. So you'll be able to click through. I I use uh Amazon links. They are paid links. If you actually buy the

[6:41] book, you know, through my link, I think I get five cents or something like that. Uh but uh I would encourage you to get this book and read it. It it it reads very fast. It's uh gosh, a couple hundred pages, I think. Let me see here. I'll tell you exactly. It is 200 and Okay, so it's a little more than two. It's 263 pages long, but you can see it's a small book. Uh the the the the type font is pretty large. You could probably read this book in I would think

[7:17] four or five hours, maybe six hours tops. It'll read. It reads very fast. Cal Newport does a fantastic job about in in explaining his message, conveying the information and ideas in the book. And I it will be well worth the cost of the book and your time to to to read it and and really make it a part of how how you do your work. Especially if you are planning to do something like write a book or some other kind of creative

[7:53] endeavor. Even if the creative endeavor for example is to put together a marketing plan. Okay. So the the kind of focus that it takes to do that well is you know contained within this idea of deep work. Okay. So I'm I I prepared some some notes as I always do to to keep us to keep on track here. uh and so the first of all I want to talk a little bit more about the core concept of deep work right and and and really it's it's

[8:30] professional activities that are performed in a state of dist distractionfree concentration and it really pushes your cognitive capabilities to their limit. Okay. So, you're you're just you're you're fiercely focused, I think, is is a good way to put it. Okay? You get rid of all distractions. Now, by the way, Cal Newport is not the only one who advocates this. If you've ever read Stephen King's book on writing, I think

[9:06] the book is called on writing if I if I recall. So, it it's it's a must-read book if you're going to be if you're looking to be a writer. Okay. And he has the same thing where he sets up his writing environment and and it's it's distractionfree. He may have some quiet music playing in the background, but other than that, and it's it's instrumental music as I recall. Uh but beyond that, it's a distractionfree environment. That's what's necessary to give your mind the space it needs to

[9:44] process the ideas and and and bring out of you what it is you want on a creative level. Okay? Now that's as contrasted with shallow work. Okay, which is not cognitively demanding. It's just tasks, busy work that you do or responding to emails um that oftentimes, you know, we perform when we're distracted. Uh which includes meetings. I mean, these days in meetings, uh I'm I'm surprised sometimes to see people checking their cell phones

[10:20] and that sort of thing. It's like let's just focus on the meeting, get it done and and then you can go back to ch, you know, checking your cell phone or whatever whatever you're doing on your cell phone, right? But the fact of the matter is shallow work doesn't produce a whole lot of value. It's deep work that produces value. If you think of any company, okay, the core idea behind that company was derived through deep work. Okay. Now, by

[10:55] the way, deep work does not nec I think deep work does not necessarily have to be done in an office. Okay. Some of the best deep work I do is when I'm out uh walk exercising. I walk. One of the things I do to exercise is I walk and I I put on my my um my shocks ear earphones and and and I just I let my mind I I think about an issue that I you know with which I need to deal and then I let my mind churn on that issue and

[11:31] and interestingly enough you know it when I'm walking I'm in a essentially distractionfree environment. Now, I couldn't obviously I couldn't write a book in doing that because I'm walking. But depending on the type of deep work you may need to do, that can change uh the the nature of the undistracted space. I I use that in a a relatively broad uh term that that you know in which you you um are going to work. Okay. So,

[12:06] why is why is deep work so valuable? Well, as I said a couple minutes ago, in a society or in an economy that's defined by automation and outsourcing, um the ability to engage deeply with problems, with um situations that need to be resolved and come up with innovative solutions. is something that it's I think virtually

[12:43] impossible to automate or replace with AI. And so the ability the value in deep work and the ability to do it means that you will always have value from a professional and business standpoint. Okay, so that that's number one, right? the ability the the the the ability to create this high value output means that you are a high value individual from a a a business and professional perspective. Okay, that's number one. Number two,

[13:20] deep work is rare. Okay. So, the typical workplace, uh, I I know for me because so much of my job is coordinating the activities of other people, I'm I'm on my email constantly, you know, responding to people, answering their questions, following up on various things. So, to a certain extent, my job is is to be connected. Okay. But that that connectivity isn't really where

[13:56] where my true value is derived. So my the true value of the work I do is in problem solving. Whether it's working with someone else to come up with a way to solve a problem or whether it's doing the kind of deep work I need to do to figure something out. Okay. So, but the reality is that uh you know these days deep work probably comprises maybe 10 to 20% of what I do whereas

[14:31] shallow work all of the emails and coordinating and phone calls and and filling out forms and that kind of stuff comprises 80%. Okay. It is however the the 10 to 20% of deep work that I do that I think um is what um incentivizes people to hire me instead of one of my competitors. Okay. And so the ability to do deep work um it it it it I mean so so because deep work is relatively uncommon

[15:10] in the workplace if you have the ability to do it again you you have value in the workplace. Okay. And the final I I think the final main argument that that Cal Newport makes is that deep work is meaningful. Okay. So, you know, after a day spent, you know, emailing and on phone calls and in meetings, uh, and all that kind of stuff, I I'm exhausted. Okay. Um, and probably the the only sense of

[15:45] accomplishment I have is that I got through another day. Okay. But on a day where I've done s a significant amount of deep work and really come up with a good solution to an issue or situation in which one of my clients is involved, I feel a level of satisfaction that's different than just having gotten through the day. I feel like I've contributed something to people's well-beings to to society sometimes

[16:20] even. Okay. And that's because the the kind of deep dive that that we take when we do deep work and the re and the resulting uh and the results they they even in a sometimes only in a small way change really what's going on with us and the people with whom we're interacting or to whom we're responsible. So, it's having a real impact. and to make an impact I

[16:56] think really um it it it it it it's so attractive to our souls because it's so endemic in in who we are as human beings that the the in the end the ability to do deep work and the meaning we get from it I think be is the most profound reason why um you know you should read Cal Newport's book and adopt his his methodologies. Okay, it's it's

[17:33] it it will improve the quality of your life. Okay, just in terms of how how meaningful it makes your your the time you're working and and the kind of and the impact the positive impact you can have on other people's lives. And so the these are the main arguments that um that that Cal Newport makes and and I and I they certainly have um played out just like that um in in in my career. Okay, let's let's take a quick break.

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[18:48] or visit magnumprops.com. So, this is uh people making money and I'm your host Kevin Bemel and I'm talking about uh Cal Newport's outstanding book deep work and why it's so important and so meaningful us meaningful for us to to know what deep work is and to make it a a a part of our our workday our professional lives. Okay. So, Cal Newport gives four rules

[19:27] for deep work. Okay. And rule number one is you can hear this coming, right? Work deeply. Right? Actually engage in deep work. Okay. So, uh what is what does that mean? Okay. So you you we we want to cultivate the ability to focus intensely by minimizing distractions. Okay. So um how do we do that? Well, we can be um we can be you know quasi monastic. Eliminate all shallow work.

[20:04] Now that would be a goal rather than something we could reasonably expect to accomplish. But but that's kind of the um you know that that's kind of the idea behind it and and the the the more that we can the more time we can spend doing deep work the better we'll get at it and so the more meaningful our our lives will be the more productive we will be and the more impact we'll have really on the world. Okay. So another way to approach it is to be biodal. So alternate between uh clearly defined

[20:41] periods of deep work and shallow work. Okay? And that's that's what I did when I was writing my book. I actually put into my calendar scheduled times to do the deep work of writing my book. It was two or three hours each morning. And I did it in the morning. For me, I'm a morning person. That's when I'm freshest. And so I just blocked out that time on my calendar. No meetings, no phone calls, no email, nothing. None of those things. I just uh at the time I had a a sitdown desk. I sat at my desk

[21:17] and I focused on my book. Now, I will tell you sometimes it was frustrating because I would sit there for two or three hours and at the end of that time, even if I'd written some stuff, it wasn't of any value. That's just the reality of writing. Okay. uh but but the the sort of biodal uh strategy I think is probably for most of us the most practical strategy. Okay. So um he also talks about a strate like a rhythm rhythmic strategy where you actually habituate into your regular

[21:55] routine daily blocks of doing deep work. Now, uh, you know, depending on on how regimented you can make your day, that may work. And and also depending on what you do, um, if you need to consistently be doing deep work, so then that might be um, you know, a strategy that works. And then finally there's what he calls the journalistic strategy where you you fit deep work in whenever in kind of whenever it's possible to do so. Um the

[22:30] challenge with that is of course it takes much more self-disipline uh than one of the other uh one of the other um um strategies. So, um I know for me, um I don't I I really don't have the the self-discipline to switch from shallow work mode to deep work mode and then sort of, you know, bring down the code of silence, so to speak, and do that for a couple of hours or an hour or whatever it is. Okay. Um but but if you have that ability to to make that switch and do

[23:08] the kind of intensely focused work that deep work is so then that might work for you. Okay. So, and there are all kinds of uh tools that you can use uh to, you know, to block out the time to get rid of distractions, right? We can put our phones on um I I know an an iPhone you can put it on deep focus where calls don't come through, text messages don't come through. You can do the same thing on an Apple computer and on my iMac I can do it and and that way distractions are are cut off for a certain period of

[23:43] time. you can schedule that deep focus time. Okay. And and and then again you can put in your calendar actually schedule the time in your calendar to do deep work. That that's those are the kinds of strategies. Okay. That um that Cal Newport talks about and and they absolutely work. I can I can tell you from personal experience they work. Okay. So that's number one is work deeply. Number two, embrace boredom. right now. I don't know if I don't know if you you were like me when you were a kid, but I hated being bored when I was a kid. And I'd go to my

[24:19] mom and mom, I'm bored, you know? And my mother would basically tell me, "Not my problem. Not my circus, not my clown, right? Not my problem that you're bored. You have toys. You have a backyard. You have friends. Go get yourself unbed." Right? Uh but the reality is that uh it's it's a good thing to be able to be bored and to train our brains to resist distractions. Now I'll I'll be honest. I have a hard time with this. Okay. Now, you know, I'm

[24:57] my nickname in the Navy, as I've mentioned many times before, is OCD. And so, you know, I I you know, always have to be moving a little bit and all that kind of stuff, right? So, uh for someone like me to be focused, uh I think is it's it's, you know, more difficult than someone who maybe, you know, doesn't have OCD. Uh but the thing about um uh embracing boredom is if we let our minds if if we let the distractions of daily life sort of seep

[25:34] out of our minds, it opens them up to being creative. Right? The minute we, you know, if the minute our minds start to calm down, we're checking our phone and getting spun up again, there is no space there for doing deep creative type work. Okay? So we we we need to habituate ourselves uh to if not actually enjoying embracing

[26:11] boredom. So we give our minds the space they need in order to be creative. So um you know one of the ways we can do this is and it's kind of the opposite of what I mentioned before is rather than scheduling our deep work time we can schedule our you know sort of shallow work or distracted time. we can schedule the time of day that we're going to be on the internet and we're going to be using our phones and all of that. Okay. Uh now, you know, the fact of the matter is and and and you hear about this a

[26:47] lot, the so-called multitasking, our brains can't actually multitask. When we're doing two things at the same time, what's really happening is our brain is having to move quickly between tasks, but we're not it's not literally focused on two things at the same time. the brain can't do that. Okay. So, I I I wouldn't describe um you know, scheduling shallow time as as multitasking time. I would describe it as this is a time when you're not, you know, going to be practicing um

[27:24] embracing boredom and working deeply. Okay? uh and and you're allowing yourself a certain amount of time each day to do that with the idea that the rest of the time you are going to be seeking that that if if not monastic that that ability to do focused creative work. Okay, so that's number two, embrace boredom. Number three, you can probably hear this one coming. Quit social media. Okay. Now, I am as as much as what I do is is is on YouTube

[28:00] and it's on LinkedIn and and X and FA all this, I am almost never on social media. Okay. I I check my Instagram feed in the mornings for maybe about 10 or 15 minutes for business reasons to see if there's uh new people um I want to follow who are in my profession, new estate planning lawyers or wealth adviserss etc. Um because eventually I I I look up their work and and and seek to make connections with them for our

[28:36] mutual benefit so we can you know generate new business opportunities. But beyond that, I'm not on social media. I I I I'm never on social media for personal pleasure because frankly I get no personal pleasure out of social media. Now if you do, you know, I I'm I mean I don't understand it, but okay, you do. Uh but what I would encourage you to do is to limit your social media time because it becomes so allencompassing in in you know in people's lives it drowns out everything

[29:12] else that's important. So um so u um Cal Newport he he talks about um using a craftsman approach to tool selection. So only adopt a tool if it's if its benefits significantly outweigh its drawbacks as you work to achieve your goals or your conditions of satisfaction. Okay? And so that's why I use social media the way I do it. Okay? In that way, it's it's supporting my business goals, my desire to help other

[29:51] people, um to connect with other people in a way that's really meaningful in our lives in an off in an offline way. Okay. Beyond that though, I don't I don't use social media. Okay. And so that's really that's really the key I think here is control social media. Don't let social media control you. Okay. So, in in as part of um figuring out your social media use, you know, I think it's we

[30:26] really need you really need to evaluate these digital tools and and and seeing how much they support or undermine your ability to do the kind of deep creative work about which uh Cal Newport writes. Okay. So the I think the the the most important thought on this is don't default to be to always being connected. Okay. I think that's very negative. Okay. So you know the the default should be to be

[31:03] disconnected and to connect when it will make your life better. So, and and you know, look, I can appreciate it's it's difficult to, you know, wean yourself off of social media. I I I will say that the traditional Jewish practice of the Sabbath, which is from sundown Friday until sundown Saturday. Um, we do not use electrical and electronic devices. They can be preset like like timer like lights on a timer to sort of do their

[31:39] thing without our involvement. But beyond that, we don't I don't, you know, turn on the television or the radio or or, you know, or my phone playing, you know, Pandora. I don't drive or drive a car or sit in a car. Um I don't do I don't, you know, watch um television, DVDs, any of that stuff. Okay? And you know what? Life is is fine. You know, it doesn't come crashing down. Interestingly enough, I I I read a lot of books. Um and and and reading a

[32:14] conventional book is is very pleasant. Now, I you know, I I admit it. I'm a little I'm a little old-fashioned. I don't particularly like reading electronic books. I find it very hard to do that. I much prefer uh to read conventional books. I'll only read I don't even like particularly to read PDFs, you know, on my computer. I will when I have to um because I don't want to print them out and and waste paper. But, uh, you know, I would encourage you, you you don't have to be, you know, traditionally Jewish to, you know, have a sort of Sabbathlike experience once a

[32:51] week. Uh, but but, you know, you might try that and see how it works. And you might find that you really enjoy being disconnected electronically from the world for a day. H because it will sort of force you to, you know, go out into the real world, interact with people and and interact with tangible things, you know, like an actual book, right? You can start start it by getting uh Cal Newport's book and reading it. So, okay. So, that's number three. Quit

[33:27] social media or at least tame it. Okay. Cal Newport's rule is to quit social media. I would say maybe think of taming social media. Make it work for you as opposed to letting it control you. Okay. Finally, number four, uh, drain the shallows. Okay. That's that's how that's how Cal Newport describes it. And and really what he means is minimize the the amount of shallow work you do to make space for doing more deep work. Okay? You know

[34:05] what is the ideal ratio? That's really going to depend on what you do, right? For me, at least right now, as I said, the ratio is kind of somewhere between 9010 8020. Okay? Now maybe over time as my practice grows that'll change and maybe there'll be a time when it's maybe 7030 or 6040. Um do I do I anticipate a time when you know I'll be doing 80% deep work versus 20% shallow work? Candidly no. It's not in the nature of

[34:41] what I do at least what I do right now. Okay. But um you know depending on how my practice evolves uh I could see where the percentage of time that I spend doing deep work would increase. Now you know as I mentioned earlier in the show if you're in more of a creative profession and when I say a creative profession I don't mean just things like you know film making writing what we think of as being creative but even you know uh marketing or new product development these are

[35:17] inherently creative jobs okay and so the more deep work you can do I think the more successful you will be. So go through a process of minimizing shallow work. Now I will say that um throughout my life I have sought to minimize shallow work through productivity. So um and and technology can be outstanding for doing that especially things like uh automation and large language models.

[35:52] they can help us get a lot more shallow work done in a shorter time period. Okay? And then by you know rather than filling up the the the the time saved with more shallow work. Okay. Fill it with deep work. Okay. And that is something in which I'm engaged right now um through I'm starting I I started a new venture a couple of months ago or so called probate and trust TV. And so periodically I need to focus on how do I how do I build this? How do I you know

[36:28] um how do I um bring it to the attention of more people which is a a marketing function right? So I do take time um you know over the LA I have taken time over the last couple of months to spend to to you know to to spend some deep work uh focused on how I I build up that idea. And there are some other things like that that I'm working on now as well. Okay. So, uh you know, we could argue whether that's my core work or not. I mean I I look at my work pretty holistically and but that is how I would recommend that you look at your work is

[37:05] what can you use by way of of tools especially technology to shrink the amount of shallow work you do and then where can you replace where can you take the extra time and do deep work that will be of benefit to your career to your professional life or your business life. Okay. Um, so one of the things that Cal Newport recommends is to schedule every minute of your workday and account for all tasks. And while I I was much stricter

[37:42] with this uh when I first read his book um again almost 10 years ago now, I'm not as strict with it now in terms of literally putting it into my calendar. But I do keep a pretty strict calendar and a and I keep a a a to-do list. I use Apple reminders. And between those two, I know what needs to be done each day. So whereas before I used to use small notebooks and handwrite it, I found that it just took too much time and it wasn't it wasn't uh efficient. So now I use,

[38:19] you know, Google Calendar on the one hand and Apple reminders on the other hand. And I' I've seen a big productivity gain since I uh especially since I started using Apple reminders the beginning of this year in a very strong way figuring out how to optimize it um so that it was I was being most efficient. So, uh, schedule, you know, especially if you find yourself, um, being distracted and not getting things done. The best way to handle that that I found is to schedule out your day. Literally schedule out every minute of

[38:55] your workday so that uh, you know, okay, at, you know, 10:00 a.m. I'm going to be watching the Way to Wow shows. Okay, I'm kidding, right? Um, but you know, at 10 a.m. I'm going to be doing this task. It's going to take 45 minutes or I'm gonna lot 45 minutes. Then at 10:45 I'm going to go on to the next task. By the way, when you're doing that, make sure that you schedule in there some short breaks. Okay? Don't schedule in eight or nine hours of of, you know, deep work and shallow work and then, you know,

[39:31] it's not a sustainable schedule, right? So, you know, schedule um schedule in I mean I schedule in time to exercise uh uh six days a week, I believe. Yeah, six days a week I exercise. Hey, that's in my schedule. Uh and and people say, "Oh, but you you love to exercise." No, I don't. I like to fit in my clothes. Okay. Um but schedule in exercise. That way you'll do it. You have an appointment to exercise. There's nothing wrong with that. And if somebody wants to meet with you during your exercise

[40:06] time, you you can just tell them, "I have a commitment at that time. I'm I'm not available." Okay? And you don't need to feel guilty for for not being available during the time you've scheduled for exercise. That exercise time is one of the things that makes you valuable to the person who wants to meet with you because it helps you with your physical well-being, your emotional well-being, all of that. Okay? So, schedule every minute of your day. And then the final thing is learn to say no more often. A lot of the things that we're asked to do

[40:43] are not things that we're the best person to be doing. Okay. I know it it it gives I think I don't know a dopamine boost when somebody asks us for something especially if they're basically saying to us you know like you can really help me and I really need your help right oh okay well let me get my lance and get on my white charger and you know you know and come riding out as your knight you know uh you know but the reality is that oftentimes we're not the best person to help to help someone

[41:19] else. And we'd be much much better off cultivating what I call I did a blog post on this. If you go to my website, you you can find it. Just search my website for it. Uh cultivate a positive no, which I I know sounds like a contradiction in terms, but there's a way to say no that's helpful to people. And and and oftentimes if I'm not the right person to help them, I'll say, uh, look, I I'm, you know, I I can't help you with this. However, I can introduce you to somebody that I think can. Okay. So, it's a polite way of saying no. I I

[41:55] will tell you I I try to avoid saying no flat out. I that's it's I don't know. It's against my character as a middle child, whatever whatever the reason may be, right? Um but but there's a way to say no that will actually help the person more than if we say yes. Okay? And that's what I um I I that that's that's my own sort of you know take on Cal Newport's idea that we need to learn to set more we learn to say we need to learn to say no more often. We need to set clear expectation limit the number

[42:30] of meetings limit the number of emails all of that kind of stuff. One of the skills that I'm cultivating right now is not responding to every email I get when the email is not just to me. Because what I find is oftent times someone else will make a response and it would have either rendered my response um unnecessary or their response is better than the response I could have given. Right? So sometimes I let an email sit unanswered and you know, depending on the situation, I

[43:06] may respond to it later in the day or if I get it in the afternoon, respond to it the next morning. Um, sometimes there are emails I get that I don't respond to at all because uh, you know, there's no point in in responding basically. Okay? So, these are all disciplines that we can develop that will reduce our shallow work, drain the shallows so to speak, and allow us to do more deep work. Okay? So um those are the key ideas that uh Cal Newport uh talks about in in his book Deep Work. Again, I I recommend it

[43:44] to you as highly as as gosh, pretty much any book I've ever recommended it to you. Uh I'm trying to think. Uh yeah, I mean there's maybe two two or three um talent is overrated. is is in is I think uh you know up there with deep work and um gosh there's another one on um on decisionmaking gosh I can't think of he was a I had the author he was a guest on my show in the early days of the show sorry I don't remember the name of the book but but

[44:20] those are probably the three the three oh and then um Charles Dig's book on on building habits those are probably the four best books books I've read in in in you know from a sort of development developing um strong habits to support achieving our conditions of satisfaction. So uh so again get Cal Newport's book read it if you have any questions thoughts comments uh all of the my social media links will be uh in

[44:55] in the show notes. Um I do respond to questions on social media. I know I said I I don't engage in social media on a personal basis, but when I get uh you know questions and comments through LinkedIn or or typically they're coming through LinkedIn it seems these days and then to a lesser extent Facebook. Um I I do respond to those. Um but that's because you're asking me to. So okay. Um so that's the show for today. Tomorrow at 5:00 PM Pacific time is my show Jiggers's Place and we're going to sit

[45:31] back and have a cocktail and talk about film noir. Okay. The the the gritty uh you know urbanbased movies where there's a police detective or an individual who's caught up in a crazy situation and there's usually almost always a fen fatal messing with the guy's head. They're almost always in black and white. And so we're going to have a cocktail and a smoo as we head into the end of the week. So I hope you'll join me tomorrow 5:00 PM Pacific time at Jiggers's place. And then next week on Monday at 10 a.m. is my show Trust and

[46:07] Estates Weekly. On Tuesday at 10:00 a.m. uh Pacific time is my show, Business Lessons from the Military. And then one week from today, I'll be back with the next edition of People Making Money. So, thanks again for joining me, especially my live viewers. And, you know, if you know someone you think may benefit from my show, uh, please introduce them to it. I would really appreciate it. Um, a large part of the point of doing this is is to help out other people. It's an extension of my time as a chaplain in the United States Navy. So, sure appreciate uh you introducing them to to

[46:44] my shows. So again, thanks so much for tuning in and wishing you a wonderful rest of the day and signing off as I always do.